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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: janjim on Thursday 25 March 21 04:33 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
We are trying to find more information on Mary New b. 1774 at Ashbury, Berkshire, UK who married Thomas Francis Vincent in 1798 at Franklin, Virginia.
Mary New was daughter of Joseph New b. 1748 and Elizabeth Hide who lived in Ashbury UK.
It appears that Mary Vincent died in 1841 at Kentucky, USA.
It's a long way back, but would love to find any information on Mary New's migration to the U.S.A. in those early days. Her parents died in the UK, and don't know whether she travelled with other siblings, or just reasons for her travel. Are there any records available to search for her immigration available.
jan
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Mary New
Baptism 20 Jun 1773
Ashbury, Berkshire
Father Joseph
Mother Elizabeth
There was another Mary New baptised around the same time at Ashbury, how have you established which one is yours.
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Passenger list information is scantily recorded back then. :-\
The 1810 census is a numerical one and only lists the head of household but there is a chance this could be your Thomas & Family in Franklin Virginia.
Name Thomas Vincent - Home in 1810 (City, County, State) Franklin, Virginia
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10 -- 2
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15 - 1
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44 - 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10 - 2
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15 - 1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44 - 1
Number of Household Members Under 16 - 6
Number of Household Members Over 25 - 2
Number of Household Members 8
Sandra
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If this isn't yours and you haven't seen it, it may be interesting.
Wiki tree entry seems to suggest that they moved to Muhlenberg County, Kentucky and Thomas died there in 1848. (son of Charles and Suzannah Vincent) Thomas born 1869 Bedford County Virginia.
Son of I Charles Vincent and Susannah Vincent - Husband of Mary Vincent
Father of George W. Vincent; John Swallow Vincent - Squire Vincent - John Swallow Vincent and Squire Vincent Brother of II Charles Vincent, Jr - Sr. John Vincent - Ruth McElvain - Susannah Abshire; Sarah Vincent and 6 others.
https://www.geni.com/people/Thomas-Vincent/5306595716900087948
Sandra
Also an extensive tree on ancestry but sadly no immigration information.
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Hi, yes that is a consideration, my research has shown that our Mary New was baptised on 20.6.1773 Ashbury, daughter of Joseph New and Elizabeth Hide.
It is confusing, I know I have posted her birth as 1774, this is as a result of our cousin and myself finding a DNA match with descendants of Mary New who married Thomas Vincent, which is shown on Ancestry Tree of these descendants.
If we could find shipping records for Mary New travelling to the States, maybe we could then determine that we have the right Mary New.
Jan
Mary New
Baptism 20 Jun 1773
Ashbury, Berkshire
Father Joseph
Mother Elizabeth
There was another Mary New baptised around the same time at Ashbury, how have you established which one is yours.
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Indexed as Thomas Vincen at familysearch. There is a Charles Vincen on the next line.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH2R-9GQ
There is a William New in Franklin, VA in 1810
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH2R-96P
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That far back, you might find passenger records and you might not. This site has a lot of old passenger lists but I've never really figured out an easy way to search them. Instead I tried a site search from Google, e.g.,
site:https://www.immigrantships.net/ "new, mary"
I didn't find Mary. You could look for Thomas V or William New.
this link might help also
https://immigrantships.net/newcompass/pcindex.html
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thoughts:
where was this William New from?
Where was Thomas Vincent from?
When did Thomas Vincent and William New arrive in VA?
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"Today I learned:" 1790 and 1800 censuses of Virginia were destroyed in the war of 1812.
https://www.lva.virginia.gov/public/guides/va2_1790census.htm
The link mentions some substitutes, but just scanning the page, it looks like the latest is a 1785 tax enumeration.
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Are there land records for Franklin Co. When did Thomas V and William N buy land? Any deals between the two?
Are there probate records? Are the families mentioned in each other's wills?
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Sandra, thanks very much for that, yes we knew they moved to Muhlenberg, Kentucky where Thomas Vincent died. No I hadn't seen that information before, we are trying to match up our DNA matches with various descendants of this Vincent family. It is quite complicated.
It just would have been good to have found some records for Mary's immigration, we wonder why she went to the United States having lived in a small village of Ashbury in Berkshire, England. She married Thomas Francis Vincent in the States, apparently met him over there. Were there any other New family members that also went there.
Am confused on this, as I did a search on Family Search and found Mary New daughter of Joseph & Elizabeth New as having married William Mills in 1799 at Ashbury and later two daughters born Hester Mills b. 1799 and Jane Mills b. 1803, so really trying to clarify the correct family.
The DNA matching though with Vincent descendants has taken us on this new investigation.
Jan
If this isn't yours and you haven't seen it, it may be interesting.
Wiki tree entry seems to suggest that they moved to Muhlenberg County, Kentucky and Thomas died there in 1848. (son of Charles and Suzannah Vincent) Thomas born 1869 Bedford County Virginia.
Son of I Charles Vincent and Susannah Vincent - Husband of Mary Vincent
Father of George W. Vincent; John Swallow Vincent - Squire Vincent - John Swallow Vincent and Squire Vincent Brother of II Charles Vincent, Jr - Sr. John Vincent - Ruth McElvain - Susannah Abshire; Sarah Vincent and 6 others.
https://www.geni.com/people/Thomas-Vincent/5306595716900087948
Sandra
Also an extensive tree on ancestry but sadly no immigration information.
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we wonder why she went to the United States having lived in a small village of Ashbury in Berkshire, England. She married Thomas Francis Vincent in the States, apparently met him over there.
Did he send for her maybe? Where was he from, any clue?
and regarding the US family - Do their trees say where their Mary New was from? - I assume they don't, or you wouldn't be asking here, but I'm just asking the obvious. It's hard to tell on the internet just how much a person already knows without asking.
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Thank you so much for all of that information. Will go back into my family tree to find this William New, maybe ! Jan
Indexed as Thomas Vincen at familysearch. There is a Charles Vincen on the next line.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH2R-9GQ
There is a William New in Franklin, VA in 1810
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH2R-96P
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That far back, you might find passenger records and you might not. This site has a lot of old passenger lists but I've never really figured out an easy way to search them. Instead I tried a site search from Google, e.g.,
site:https://www.immigrantships.net/ "new, mary"
I didn't find Mary. You could look for Thomas V or William New.
this link might help also
https://immigrantships.net/newcompass/pcindex.html
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thoughts:
where was this William New from?
Where was Thomas Vincent from?
When did Thomas Vincent and William New arrive in VA?
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"Today I learned:" 1790 and 1800 censuses of Virginia were destroyed in the war of 1812.
https://www.lva.virginia.gov/public/guides/va2_1790census.htm
The link mentions some substitutes, but just scanning the page, it looks like the latest is a 1785 tax enumeration.
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Are there land records for Franklin Co. When did Thomas V and William N buy land? Any deals between the two?
Are there probate records? Are the families mentioned in each other's wills?
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Another possible way to go at this:
Are there Vincent families in Ashbury, Berkshire?
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Thanks Oldohiohome, I will investigate more in the morning, bit late here in Australia and need to converse with my cousin, she has done more research on this.
Am thinking at the back of my mind, this marriage in Ashbury to William Mills, did he change his name to New, he died in the USA and Mary remarried.
I know there are several of my New family members who changed their surnames, and disappeared off the face of the planet, so anything could go !!!
Jan
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Oops. This is what happens when you 1) don't read all the posts thoroughly, and 2) are doing rootschat at 5:30 AM :)
Thomas born 1869 Bedford County Virginia.
Son of I Charles Vincent and Susannah Vincent
Also an extensive tree on ancestry but sadly no immigration information.
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thoughts:
Where was Thomas Vincent from?
When did Thomas Vincent ... arrive in VA?
That tree on ancestry says that Mary New had a brother William born about 1779 or 1781 (the tree lists both dates.)
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Oldohiohome,
Yes, I will be looking at those trees on Ancestry today, but from what I hear, there are a lot of discrepancies with dates etc.
So maybe Mary New went to the United States with her brother William, will keep on searching.
Jan
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William New, christened 2 Jun 1781, Ashbury. parents Joseph New and Elizabeth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQB1-94W
a Wm New married Elizabeth Jones 28 Oct 1801, Franklin Co VA
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRQ6-7QN
another record says her father was named John
?? There is a William New in Wayne Co Kentucky in 1830.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHPZ-3N1
Wayne Co is on the way to Muhlenberg Co, Kentucky, coming from Franklin Co VA on the migration route west, so who knows.
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regarding the trees - yes on the discrepancies. Thomas' children are born in two places each, or back and forth from Kentucky to Maryland. Virginia. (edited)
have a good day. - it's the end of the day here
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Thank you, will get back to you later in our day.
Jan