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RN death???
Robert Hugh Douglas Stuart BOGLE RN
1875–
BIRTH 15 MAR 1875 • Nervi, Genova, Liguria, Italy OR TRICOMALIE CEYLON ???
DEATH Unknown
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There is a 'Naval Pensioner' at the Fulham Road Workhouse.
Robt Hugh Bogle
London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Westminster
Fulham Road Workhouse
Perhaps I have conflated two BOGLE men ?
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Marriage - who to & where & when
Where does he fit into your FH?
What do you mean by "conflated?? two BOGLE men"
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Carole,
I have his parents as:
Archibald George Bogle Rear-Admiral
1832–1903
BIRTH 20 APR 1832 • Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
DEATH 15 AUG 1903 • Baveno, Verbano-Cusio-Ossola, Piemonte, Italy
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Ellen Victoria Elphinstone
1837–1881
BIRTH 26 AUG 1837 • Dresden, Saxony, Germany
DEATH 24 AUG 1881 • Italy
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Where does he fit into your FH?
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Where does he fit into your FH?
remotely via the Elphinstone family.
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Have you looked at his RN Records? They record that he died 9 May 1926 at Morges in Switzerland
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8121043
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7602874
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Bogle, old Glasgow gentry, merchants & slave-owners, so Govan spot-on!
Skoosh.
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The Army and Navy Gazette, 6 Jun 1914, reported a marriage had been arranged, to take place shortly, between a Lieut. Robert Hugh Bogle, R.N., retired and Pauline, daughter of John Belschner, of Zurich
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Perhaps I have conflated two BOGLE men ?
The Westminster workhouse register entries are for 4-8 December 1918. Your man's RN records reveal that between those dates he was in the Queen Alexandra Hospital at Dunkirk suffering from influenza*. So it's not the same man.
* At that time he was an Acting Corporal 2nd Lieutenant in the Royal Garrison Artillery (57915). He had been awarded the Military Medal in 1916 while serving in the ranks with the RGA.
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Many thanks for all these excellent leads and for the marriage and death.
I presume that I have the wrong man on the 1901 census born in TRICOMALIE CEYLON.
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I presume that I have the wrong man on the 1901 census born in TRICOMALIE CEYLON.
That is your man. He was a Lieutenant on HMS Terrible at that time ( " troublesome and utterly untrustworthy")
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Per newspaper announcements in March 1875 he was born at Nervi, near Genoa, Italy.
"On the 15th inst, at Nervi, near Genoa, Italy, Ellen Victoria, the wife of Archibald Bogle, Esq., captain Royal Navy, of a son"
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At Merges, Switzerland, on the 9th May 1926, Lieut-Commander Robert Hugh Bogle R. N. second son of the late Rear-Admiral Archibald George Bogle.
(The Scotsman 15 May 1926)
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Shaun,
Many many thanks!
I am still a little puzzled why his birthplace is usually given as Nervi, near Genoa, Italy but in 1901 given as TRICOMALIE CEYLON.
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I will now see what can be found about the Swiss family of his wife, Pauline, daughter of John Belschner, of Zurich.
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Bogle, old Glasgow gentry, merchants & slave-owners, so Govan spot-on!
Skoosh.
Skoosh,
many thanks for your hint that this BOGLE family might be rewarding to explore. Let's hope their records are in good shape!
Bogle family of Bogleshole, Shettleston and Daldowie
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F16822
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I am still a little puzzled why his birthplace is usually given as Nervi, near Genoa, Italy but in 1901 given as TRICOMALIE CEYLON.
Trincomalee is clearly incorrect. Whoever prepared that census return had 845 officers and crew to record. Perhaps they made a mistake. Perhaps they were misinformed (we know that Bogle was perceived by some of his commanding officers as troublesome, untrustworthy and lazy - perhaps a mischief maker?).
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I am still a little puzzled why his birthplace is usually given as Nervi, near Genoa, Italy but in 1901 given as TRICOMALIE CEYLON.
Trincomalee is clearly incorrect. Whoever prepared that census return had 845 officers and crew to record. Perhaps they made a mistake. Perhaps they were misinformed (we know that Bogle was perceived by some of his commanding officers as troublesome, untrustworthy and lazy - perhaps a mischief maker?).
Shaun,
Thanks for your clarity, experience and interpetation of his character!
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Black has Bogle derived from a place-name Bowgyhill in the Monklands, a Margaret Bogyll in Glasgow in 1487, Glasgow burgesses, a John Bougil at Bougleshole, Elizabeth Bogle in Sandyhills & Archibald Bogle charged with attending conventicles on Dechmonthill in 1686.
Bests,
Skoosh.