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Title: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: markheal on Wednesday 31 March 21 19:20 BST (UK)
What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?

We all know how unreliable a 'date of birth' can be even on the 1939 Register.
And how many passports get lent/borrowed between siblings in the same family.

Perhaps we will all be tattooed with a number like the Jews in Nazi Germany?
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Annie65115 on Wednesday 31 March 21 19:43 BST (UK)
It sounds as though you maybe have a problem with this, and I don't know why.

I've had "passports" in the past to show that I was vaccinated against TAB (Typhoid and paratyphoid - that's going back a bit!) and another for yellow fever. Various countries will not let you past their borders if you have travelled from a yellow fever area, unless you have proof of vaccination.

These pieces of paper had the name and serial number of the vaccine together with the date I received it. I think the YF one also had info about where I received the vaccine. Nowadays I would imagine something more akin to a credit card which can be swiped to show the information. How that would be matched to the carrier I don't know but it's not beyond the wit of (wo)man to work out a way.

I think the suggestion that we be tattoo'd is a rather inflammatory one and potentially upsetting for those people who have close family experience of this. It would also be pretty pointless if we need regular vaccine boosters, as we do for flu and as I strongly suspect will turn out to be necessary for coronavirus.

Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 31 March 21 20:13 BST (UK)
I still have my Yellow Fever passport, issued in the Netherlands when I lived there.
It shows the date and details of my Hepatitis B, Cholera and Diptheria vaccinations.

Of course, in NL it is obligatory to carry means of identification at all times - so nobody there worries about such things.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Guy Etchells on Wednesday 31 March 21 20:45 BST (UK)
The problem is it has not been shown that having the covid vaccinations provides immunity from infection.
Certainly none of the EU countries have come to any agreement about the use of a Covid passport.
If countries cannot agree about the ethics and the use of a covid passport as opposed to a covid vaccination certificate what use is a covid passport?
There are still many questions that cannot be answered yet such as:_ How long does the vaccine provide protection?
Does the vaccine prevent that person hosting the infection and passing it to others, if so for how long?
What restrictions would be inflicted on those who cannot have the vaccine?
Etc Etc.
Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Llwyd on Wednesday 31 March 21 21:19 BST (UK)
Ethics and legalities apart, I am not in favour of so called vaccination passports. However, if we must have them then we must start with dates of vaccination with the vaccine batch numbers together with a photograph of the holder, the holders date of birth, perhaps N.I. number, and a brief physical description.
However, we can do without them - but not the vaccinations.
Also, if we must have "passports" , they must be paid for out of existing general taxation - free at the point of delivery as it were.
 :)
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Thursday 01 April 21 14:59 BST (UK)
The problem is it has not been shown that having the covid vaccinations provides immunity from infection.
Certainly none of the EU countries have come to any agreement about the use of a Covid passport.
If countries cannot agree about the ethics and the use of a covid passport as opposed to a covid vaccination certificate what use is a covid passport?
There are still many questions that cannot be answered yet such as:_ How long does the vaccine provide protection?
Does the vaccine prevent that person hosting the infection and passing it to others, if so for how long?
What restrictions would be inflicted on those who cannot have the vaccine?
Etc Etc.
Cheers
Guy

Ethics and legalities apart, I am not in favour of so called vaccination passports. ...

After over a year of illness and GP 'phone appointments, I've finally managed to get an Out of Hours GP and now my GP Surgery to take my rash and inflammatory response symptoms seriously and send me for blood tests again.

I knew something was wrong, but owing to the Covid response, I was fobbed off by 111 that it was a nervy reaction the person suggested, but when the Practice took the time to look at my photos, heard back from the Out of Hours GP that I needed tests and I'd made repeated requests, they started jumping through hoops!!

Blood tests one afternoon and my 'phone was ringing before 8am the next, that it appeared my Kidney function was too low. I hardly drank alcohol, non-smoker, I'm not obese, have good daily diet and walking exercise.

I'm just as concerned about other stuff that can be caught or develop (besides Covid), which can also lead to bad conditions or even fatal outcomes, especially when GP Surgeries are operating behind locked doors and mainly by telephone (like ours).

Yes, Covid-19 can be a very serious condition and should be avoided with hands, face and space etc., precautions too. However Covid-19 will lead to additional deaths without even catching it, due to not being able to access medical care easily for other conditions!!

Mark

Also, I know one who has just been diagnosed with reduced platelets and my Father knows another. Some can't have the Vac or 2nd owing to a serious reaction.

And if vaccine passports were issued, it won't be long before there is a ready made market for fakes and fake Certificates etc., which makes them meaningless.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Kiltpin on Friday 02 April 21 10:46 BST (UK)
And if vaccine passports were issued, it won't be long before there is a ready made market for fakes and fake Certificates etc., which makes them meaningless.
 

I don't know that that would be true. There isn't a ready market for fakes of the myriad of inoculations that are already required to travel round the world.   

Yes, fake passports, driving licences and the like do exist, but they cost! Why would someone pay a substantial sum of money for something that they can get for free. And not just free, the Government is actively encouraging people to take the jab for free. 

Regards 

Chas
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: greenrig on Friday 02 April 21 11:22 BST (UK)
Yet again, we see the emerging need for a proper, simple, ID scheme in UK.    Tax records, Health records, driving licences, passports - they're all incomplete substitutes for a proper ID scheme.  If we had a UK-wide register, how much simpler would it be to follow up on inequalities, rights, discrimination, and people who get "lost" off the records, to their own detriment.  Other countries have no issue with this, because they understand the advantages.....
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Jebber on Friday 02 April 21 11:52 BST (UK)
I whole heartedly agree with greenrig, I have been saying for years that we should have identity cards. I had no problem with having to carry an identity card when I lived abroad.

We are being pushed into being a paperless society, it is becoming more difficult to prove ones identity, a requisite if one wants to open a savings account etc.

I haven't driven for some years and have no intention of doing so in the future, but I have just renewed my driving licence for the identification it provides.  It makes more sense than paying out to renew my passport which I no longer need.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Pheno on Friday 02 April 21 13:04 BST (UK)
Yet again, we see the emerging need for a proper, simple, ID scheme in UK.    Tax records, Health records, driving licences, passports - they're all incomplete substitutes for a proper ID scheme.  If we had a UK-wide register, how much simpler would it be to follow up on inequalities, rights, discrimination, and people who get "lost" off the records, to their own detriment.  Other countries have no issue with this, because they understand the advantages.....

However other countries have an issue with having vaccinations - low French uptake for example.

It is just down to how different bodies of people view things and our country has qualms about identity cards just as others have qualms about the covid vaccine.

Pheno
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Guy Etchells on Friday 02 April 21 15:01 BST (UK)
Yet again, we see the emerging need for a proper, simple, ID scheme in UK.    Tax records, Health records, driving licences, passports - they're all incomplete substitutes for a proper ID scheme.  If we had a UK-wide register, how much simpler would it be to follow up on inequalities, rights, discrimination, and people who get "lost" off the records, to their own detriment.  Other countries have no issue with this, because they understand the advantages.....

I have ID I carry with me wherever I go I need no other, I have even used it to prove who I am to the police and the constable I showed it to accepted the tattoo without question and when his younger companion started to ask if I was playing the fool he shut him up in no uncertain terms.
I will never carry any other form of identification as long as I live.
I am a free man living in a democracy and no one has the right to demand I identify myself.

Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Jomot on Friday 02 April 21 18:14 BST (UK)
I am a free man living in a democracy and no one has the right to demand I identify myself.

Couldn't have put it any better. 
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Llwyd on Friday 02 April 21 19:57 BST (UK)
Other countries have no issue with this, because they understand the advantages.....

Whilst other countries appear to have no problem with I.D. cards there is, within the British psyche, an inherent objection to such things. Do we really need to be hearing "Papers please"?; the refrain usually heard in states more authoritarian than the U.K.. After all, apart from the need for I.D. cards during wartime, we have no history of the requirement for such documents.
It was a battle to get rid of them after the last war and the need to have them was not repealed until several years after the war ended. A typical example of state reluctance to relinquish control.
In a former existence I had to carry a form of I.D. card but now I no longer need it, I have no wish to have another just to prove who I am.
Furthermore, the problem is these things are never simple. Remember, they will be bureaucratic and that just breeds more bureaucracy.
No thank you to "vaccine passports" or I.D. cards.
 :)
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: groom on Friday 02 April 21 20:50 BST (UK)
People object to carrying ID cards yet think nothing of having to produce your driving licence if stopped by the police, show your passport to leave or enter the country, produce a bus pass to travel free on a bus and in a lot of jobs these days wear a lanyard bearing a card with your name and photo. What's the difference?
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Kiltpin on Friday 02 April 21 21:20 BST (UK)
The difference is that within minutes of the introduction of ID cards, there would be compulsion. The need to to carry it with you at all times. And to produce the same to all and sundry.  And if you didn't, there would be punishment. To start with, fines and then for the persistent offenders, prison.   

Prison - for an offence no worse than illegal parking.  And who would pay for all this. Last time round, when there was practically no uptake, the cost was £70. 

I don't want one and have no need for one. 

Regards 

Chas
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: trystan on Friday 02 April 21 22:54 BST (UK)
I suppose it would be more of a case of, you wouldn't have to have one, but you wouldn't be allowed to enter certain places without one. A bit like a membership card to a Gym, or a membership card of a Cash & Carry, or a works ID card.

You'd have your own free will of not going in those places. Just a thought.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Jomot on Friday 02 April 21 23:12 BST (UK)
People object to carrying ID cards yet think nothing of having to produce your driving licence if stopped by the police, show your passport to leave or enter the country, produce a bus pass to travel free on a bus and in a lot of jobs these days wear a lanyard bearing a card with your name and photo. What's the difference?

All those things are a matter of choice, but a compulsory ID card is something different entirely.

And how long before the compulsory cards include compulsory biometrics too?  Or a compulsory DNA sample?   

I sure as hell won't be producing any kind of ID / vaccine passport just to have a drink in a pub, because once something like that is accepted as reasonable, its the thin edge of the wedge.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Kiltpin on Friday 02 April 21 23:18 BST (UK)
We are talking about two very different things in this thread - 

1 - A Personal Identification Card. The Road Traffic Act only requires us to state our name and contact address to another party. There is no other reason for us to be compelled to identify ourselves.  We already have the passport and the driving licence as photo ID, if it were required. 

AND 

2 - A Certificate of Immunisation. I was given a card after my first inoculation. There is room for the details of the second inoculation to be entered. What need is there for anything else? 

Regards 

Chas
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Guy Etchells on Saturday 03 April 21 09:53 BST (UK)
People object to carrying ID cards yet think nothing of having to produce your driving licence if stopped by the police, show your passport to leave or enter the country, produce a bus pass to travel free on a bus and in a lot of jobs these days wear a lanyard bearing a card with your name and photo. What's the difference?

Look at what you have written and I am sure you could instantly see the difference, but just in case:-

A  driving licence is required to show you have passed your driving test for the relevant class of vehicle. They are they to identify you have acquired adequate skills to be safe to be in charge of the vehicle.

Your passport is the proof that you are travelling under the protection of Her Majesty's Secretary of States and may pass the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance. It also guarantees the bearer the protection and assistance of HM Government as may be necessary. You may think that is a load of nonsense but if you have a serious accident abroad and cannot pay to be repatriated to the UK the government will make the arrangements an pay the costs required, in some cases they may not even require recompense for such costs.

A bus pass to travel free is a form of ticket to travel on the bus the relevant bus company is compensated, in the form of government grants for allowing passengers to travel with a pass.

The lanyard you mention is part of your terms of employment and is a private contract between you and the company which you have agreed to on taking the employment.

All the above are completely different from being prevented to enjoy recreation open to all.
Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: groom on Saturday 03 April 21 13:19 BST (UK)


Look at what you have written and I am sure you could instantly see the difference, but just in case:-





Do you have to be so patronising?

In everything you've quoted the documentation is carried to prove something. In the same way an ID card would be carried to prove who you are, or in the case of a Vaccine passport to prove that you'd had the vaccine. There could also be another one if you were unable to have it through medical reasons.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Jomot on Saturday 03 April 21 13:38 BST (UK)
an ID card would be carried to prove who you are, or in the case of a Vaccine passport to prove that you'd had the vaccine.
But why should we have to prove anything of the sort?  We are not at war, and this is a free country.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Guy Etchells on Saturday 03 April 21 17:58 BST (UK)


Look at what you have written and I am sure you could instantly see the difference, but just in case:-





Do you have to be so patronising?


In everything you've quoted the documentation is carried to prove something. In the same way an ID card would be carried to prove who you are, or in the case of a Vaccine passport to prove that you'd had the vaccine. There could also be another one if you were unable to have it through medical reasons.

I shall ignore your patronising question Groom, as I value all human life.


Yes but the difference is have to prove medical history in such cases is a proven breach (case law) of  Article 8(2) of the The Human Rights Act 1998 and therefore illegal. It also breaches Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights and Article 8 of the International Convention on Human Rights, so no matter what level you want to take it to it shows the UK in a bad light in the UK, Europe and the World the UK government can overrule UK law by statutory instrument, they can even just ignore European Law but they cannot escape the affect of the International Convention on Human Rights.

In addition having any of the current covid vaccines does not provide 100% assurance that the vaccinated person cannot become infected with covid, in fact it is accepted that a vaccinated person can catch covid but it seems such an infection is less severe to them.
There is currently no evidence that a vaccinated person cannot pass any asymptomatic covid infection to another person.
There is however evidence to show that many people who have had at least one covid vaccination are less likely to conform to the current covid safety rules.

The most dangerous thing in all is the government is likely to comply with the wave of request for a vaccine passport to allow people to travel and socialise more.
In actual fact the vaccine passport should be called the death passport because that is bound to be the result for a number of people the only question is -
What is the acceptable death toll?

Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Tuesday 18 May 21 23:10 BST (UK)
And if vaccine passports were issued, it won't be long before there is a ready made market for fakes and fake Certificates etc., which makes them meaningless.
 

I don't know that that would be true. There isn't a ready market for fakes of the myriad of inoculations that are already required to travel round the world.   

Yes, fake passports, driving licences and the like do exist, but they cost! Why would someone pay a substantial sum of money for something that they can get for free. And not just free, the Government is actively encouraging people to take the jab for free. 

Regards 

Chas

Regarding fake certification in relation to Covid, just been said on BBC Newsnight that according to Border Force they have discovered about 100 Covid Test Certificates a day used by travellers were fakes.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: barryd on Wednesday 19 May 21 01:04 BST (UK)
I think I am in trouble.  I took a careful look at my Covid Card. It is filled in very carefully and correctly but under Healthcare Professional or Clinic Site it is Stamped SLCoHD. Yes that is where I went to have both shots done.

I would have to explain  I had both first and second shots  done at Salt Lake County (Utah) Health Department.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: trystan on Thursday 20 May 21 10:18 BST (UK)
Barry,

You've lost me there.  :-[

Incidentally, we had a very interesting time some years back in Salt Lake City, going to RootsTech, and having a meeting with FamilySearch in the LDS headquarters (The Church Office Building). Amazing views from the top too.

Trystan
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Thursday 20 May 21 12:58 BST (UK)
The Scientist on the UK BBC this am was saying we are not over this yet.

One UK Media outlet claimed yesterday afternoon that the last 5 Covid Admissions at one UK Hospital, which I found surprising.

Official numbers had used some admission figures based on 25.

It was claimed on C4 News several weeks ago from India, that a few sufferers had had both vaccines.

Take care all, Mark
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: sugarfizzle on Monday 07 June 21 18:01 BST (UK)
The details recorded on the NHS app are -
Home page -
Name and date of birth, NHS number

Vaccine record -
Date given, Name of vaccine, Batch number

Covid-19 status for travel -
Name and date of birth
QR code (presumably for officials to scan)
Name of vaccine, Batch number, Country of vaccination, Authority

Margaret
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Monday 07 June 21 20:00 BST (UK)
I was being inquisitive today and, although I'm not planning to go abroad, I clicked on the holiday option. This shows an expiry date of 20 June.

Does this mean that one would have to renew the holiday version every 2 weeks?
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: sugarfizzle on Monday 07 June 21 20:25 BST (UK)
Not sure.

It's the barcode that expires 20 Jun.

It may be they are waiting for any changes due on 21 June.
Or perhaps if you look tomorrow, the date will have changed to 21 Jun, i.e. 2 weeks from when you look.

Margaret
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Monday 07 June 21 20:46 BST (UK)
It's now 21st  ::)
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: sugarfizzle on Monday 07 June 21 21:07 BST (UK)
 :D :D
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: sugarfizzle on Monday 07 June 21 21:10 BST (UK)
Mine still says 20 June!!
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 07 June 21 21:12 BST (UK)
It will be interesting to see what transpires.
We (Isle of Man) don't have the NHS app; probably because our Health Service, ManxCare, isn't a part of the NHS.

As our passports are slightly different, I suspect any Covid passport will be different, too.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Monday 07 June 21 21:14 BST (UK)
Mine still says 20 June!!

I'm seeing things - I'm sure it said 21st but have checked on the pdf and it says barcode expires 20th.

I'm not going to go back in!

Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 20 June 21 15:12 BST (UK)
If you have the vaccine app on your phone do you have to be  using mobile data to show it in airports to prove you have had both jabs.
A good alternative would be a form you could download and save.
Does anyone know about this.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Kiltpin on Sunday 20 June 21 15:23 BST (UK)
If you have the vaccine app on your phone do you have to be  using mobile data to show it in airports to prove you have had both jabs.
A good alternative would be a form you could download and save.
Does anyone know about this.
 

What is the name / title of the vaccine app, please? 

Regards 

Chas
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 20 June 21 15:44 BST (UK)
I don't have one, it was a general query as I don't have mobile data on my phone constantly because I don't have a contract.
I was wondering if the "passport " would be able to view offline if I used wifi to download it.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Jebber on Sunday 20 June 21 16:59 BST (UK)
If you have the vaccine app on your phone do you have to be  using mobile data to show it in airports to prove you have had both jabs.
A good alternative would be a form you could download and save.
Does anyone know about this.
 

What is the name / title of the vaccine app, please? 

Regards 

Chas

Go to your Play store on Android, or App store on IPhone and look for NHS Covid 19.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 20 June 21 17:10 BST (UK)
You can get it on Smart phone or PC/Mac it links to an e-mail

https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/online-services/nhs-app/

Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 20 June 21 17:20 BST (UK)
You can get it on Smart phone or PC/Mac it links to an e-mail

https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/online-services/nhs-app/

Thanks

Only for people registered in England,  It's not showing on Wales NHS. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Roobarb on Sunday 20 June 21 17:21 BST (UK)
The NHS Covid 19 app is the one used for test and trace, as I understand it that's not the one which has vaccination status, it would be the one that's just called NHS  App. I only have the Covid 19 one, no sign of holiday or vaccination info on there.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 20 June 21 17:24 BST (UK)
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Only for people registered in England,  It's not showing on Wales NHS. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

It's coming up here. I've not explored it though

https://gov.wales/nhs-covid-19-app
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 20 June 21 17:25 BST (UK)
Line went down -

More about it here:

https://www.deeside.com/welsh-nhs-app-which-will-display-vaccination-status-set-to-be-launched/
https://gov.wales/demonstrating-your-covid-19-vaccination-status-when-travelling-abroad#section-70614
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 20 June 21 17:32 BST (UK)
Not sure about Scotland but here's some info:

https://www.nhsinform.scot/covid-19-vaccine/after-your-vaccine/get-a-record-of-your-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-status
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 20 June 21 17:53 BST (UK)
Mine still says 20 June!!

It now has this statement on the travel 'passport'

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2D barcode expiration date:

20 July 2021

Your barcode automatically refreshes every 30 days to protect your data. Check the expiration date before you travel.

It didn't have it when we did it  a fortnight ago.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 20 June 21 18:29 BST (UK)
Mine still says 20 June!!

It now has this statement on the travel 'passport'

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2D barcode expiration date:

20 July 2021

Your barcode automatically refreshes every 30 days to protect your data. Check the expiration date before you travel.

It didn't have it when we did it  a fortnight ago.

But if a paper passport is provided then that can't be updated can it.  🤔
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 20 June 21 19:01 BST (UK)
You can download a new paper one whenever. You have the option to download a pdf version to your computer. Also, your online one will update.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 20 June 21 23:21 BST (UK)
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Only for people registered in England,  It's not showing on Wales NHS. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

It's coming up here. I've not explored it though

https://gov.wales/nhs-covid-19-app

That's the track and trace app.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 20 June 21 23:48 BST (UK)
Wilcoxin - Maybe you should Google or inquire locally. Your GP should have the details.

https://gov.wales/demonstrating-your-covid-19-vaccination-status-when-travelling-abroad
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 20 June 21 23:58 BST (UK)
Or even read my earlier links

Line went down -

More about it here:

https://www.deeside.com/welsh-nhs-app-which-will-display-vaccination-status-set-to-be-launched/
https://gov.wales/demonstrating-your-covid-19-vaccination-status-when-travelling-abroad#section-70614
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 29 July 21 11:31 BST (UK)
So... I have just tried to apply for a paper passport.  I spent nearly 60 minutes in front of my desktop with NHS numbers, security codes, uploading drivers licence photo etc, then I get asked to record a video to upload to prove it's me.
For goodness sake,  I am on my desktop wich doesn't do this.
That's a chunk of my life I'll never get back. 🙄
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 29 July 21 13:00 BST (UK)
From the Welsh link:

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To access the service, you’ll need to register for an NHS login if you do not have one already.

To register for an NHS login you will need to upload a photo of your ID  (passport, full UK driving licence, full European driving licence).

If you do not have photographic ID to get your NHS COVID Pass you'll need to request a letter from 0300 303 5667.

NHS login registrations may take longer than usual when there are high numbers of requests.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 29 July 21 13:07 BST (UK)
However, elsewhere in the document:

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People in Wales cannot currently use the NHS app to access their NHS COVID Pass and vaccination status..
(last update 14 July)

From what you describe, it looks as if you've tried to use the smartphone version. If you're having difficulty, it might be best to phone the number given. Most of us are in England.

I assume that Northern Ireland and Scotland also have different versions.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 29 July 21 13:10 BST (UK)
This is daft!
At the beginning of the document it says:

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You can get a digital NHS COVID Pass if:

    you were vaccinated in Wales
    you are aged 16 or over

This is all from this link to the Welsh govt NHS site:

https://gov.wales/get-nhs-covid-pass-show-your-vaccination-status-travel#section-70614
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 29 July 21 13:18 BST (UK)
These seem to be the sites for non-England constituent countries:


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COVID Passes and vaccination status in other parts of the UK

    Scotland – NHS Inform: Get a record of your COVID-19 vaccination status
    Wales – Welsh Government: Get the NHS COVID Pass to show your vaccination status for travel
    Northern Ireland – nidirect: Get a COVID-19 vaccination in Northern Ireland

Links given here:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pass/
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 29 July 21 13:30 BST (UK)
The Isle of Man (Manx Care) is also supposed to be using the NHS England App - but they are having problems loading the data from IOM?!
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 29 July 21 13:45 BST (UK)
Looking again at the Wales website it says only apply on laptop, tablet or mobile phone,  but  it should make that clear on the first page.,now I have to go through the whole rigamarole on my tablet.  No laptop.
A pain in the proverbial 😠
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 29 July 21 13:57 BST (UK)
It doesn't seem the simplest of systems. I'm glad I did mine on my smartphone in England.
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 29 July 21 14:30 BST (UK)
It is a joke. I tried using my Samsung tablet and uploaded a photo, then was told to video myself saying 4 numbers they sent by mobile text. Bxxxxer, now it tells my my browser isn't supported.
Try again with Google instead of Samsung internet and finally got access.
Each time I logged in I got sent a security code by phone, so ended up with 8 codes for the separate times I tried.
Now I have to wait at least 24 hours for the  log in details to start .
My husband would never have the knowledge and patience to do all that faffing around so it's a good job he won't be with me on my first trip.
Now my relative overseas has offered to pay for my testing, so does a test still have to be done even if I have a covid passport. I'm slowly losing the will.
It's easier trying to find John and Mary Jones in Wales.

Watch this space 😉
Title: Re: What should be the essential data on a Covid passport?
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 31 July 21 09:24 BST (UK)
At last,  I called the 0300 number on the Wales NHS site, waited 6 minutes to be connected.
I spoke to very nice lady  who took my NHS number, name, dob and address.  That was it, she told me there's no expiry date on a paper certificate and it can be used as long as they are needed.
So that's one step closer to my next visit overseas 🙂