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I have hit a wall on parents of John Hughes b. 1830 Wellington Shropshire. (Brewer in Birmingham) d. 1899 Aston Birmingham. :'(
Of the 20+ John Hughes born around 1830 in, and around the area of Wellington Shropshire, it has come down to 2 names I can not account for, and therefore a candidate for "My" John Hughes.
>Mother Marta Hughs, Wellington Poor House/T. Riddell son Feb 10, 1830 John Hughs
>Another candidate is John Hughes Aug 30 1829 Wrockwardine Parents John & Mary but all census sources list Wellington (One has Aston Wellington but may be a mistake as he was living in Aston Birmingham at the time).
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Did your John Hughes name a father when he married
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How many census have you got him on?
When does he appear as a brewer in Birmingham.
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is this your John?
1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7NG-LTC
1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WG9B-RPZ
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1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5RR-PQM
1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-JVQB
birth reg
Aaron Hughes sept qtr 1865 Kings Norton vol 6c pg 399 mmn Hiscock
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Did your John Hughes name a father when he married
Can not find a Marriage Certificate for John Hughes & Hannah Hiscock.
Hannah Hiscock b. 26 May 1833 Henley-On-Thames, Oxfordshire, England, d. 22 Jan 1913 Birmingham. Hannah Father William Hiscock, and Mother Rachel Wise. I would assume they would have married in the Brides' home town. St Marys Henley.
If I count the 1861 Census, first son John Hughes born 1857, would put their marriage year 1856-1857. Hannah was a General Servant Old White Hart Pub Henley, in 1851 Census.
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A possible reason why you can't find a marriage.
Hannah might have been a widow, her maiden name would be given on childrens birth registration but not her first marriage name.
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How many census have you got him on?
When does he appear as a brewer in Birmingham.
Aston Brewer in 1891 census
Most all the Census 1851-1891
Oct 1899 Death Cert "Brewer"
1891 Census Yates Street, Court 6, No 3, Aston "Brewers Laborer"
1881 Census 12 Court 33 Tower Road, Aston, Warwick, England "Brewers Laborer"
1871 Census St Martins Street Ladywood above the "The Brewery"
1861 Census Moseley "Laborer"
My "Theory" is Wellington, Salop is a farming community, growing hops, etc. , he may have made a delivery in Oxfordshire, meeting his wife Hannah Hiscock. Working/following the several breweries in Aston area.
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A possible reason why you can't find a marriage.
Hannah might have been a widow, her maiden name would be given on childrens birth registration but not her first marriage name.
I thought about this too, She was still a Hiscock at age 18 1851 census, would of married John around age 23 1856-1857ish. Looked as many "Hannah" married between 1851-1857 with no luck. :(
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I don't think you can assume the marriage would be in bride's home parish. Do you have a birth certificate for John born in Paddington? Wondering if he was son of John or just of Hannah.
I'd spotted her in 1851 and her baptism in Henley. Then John is born in Paddington c. 1858. Next sighting is in Kings Norton in 1861. No sign of a marriage for John Hughes & Hannah Hiscock, but could she have been married before so she married with a different surname?
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is this your John?
1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7NG-LTC
1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WG9B-RPZ
1891 Yes. I am assuming 1861 as parents dates and locations match.
Interesting that son "John" would be born in Paddington, Middlesex.
34 miles from Hannah home town of Henley. Maybe father John Hughes was stationed in military there? unknown.
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The transcriptions for this name are awful.,
Hannah 8 is with her parents William and Rachel in 1841, as Hisnett.
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I don't think you can assume the marriage would be in bride's home parish. Do you have a birth certificate for John born in Paddington? Wondering if he was son of John or just of Hannah.
I'd spotted her in 1851 and her baptism in Henley. Then John is born in Paddington c. 1858. Next sighting is in Kings Norton in 1861. No sign of a marriage for John Hughes & Hannah Hiscock, but could she have been married before so she married with a different surname?
I have not been able to find a Birth Cert for John Hughes born in Paddington, Middlesex with a mother named "Hannah" in the years 1857 to 1858. :(
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The transcriptions for this name are awful.,
Hannah 8 is with her parents William and Rachel in 1841, as Hisnett.
lol, yes they are, I guess they were at the mercy of whom ever was the person recording the record. Since they could only sign by making their "Mark", "X".
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A one off birth, any other sign? :-\
TIMMIS, JOHN
Mother's Maiden Surname: HISCOCK
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 13
Possibly a few of the others with the same GRO ref have Paddington area baptisms.
Just in case! Mention a John Timmis, 20, born Shropshire, a soldier, in New Windsor in 1851. FamilySearch says born Wellington, but ancestry say Whittington. Could be either!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVY-528
LATE EDIT!
1851 Worldwide Army Index has a John Timmis, reg no 5879, Private 1st (Or Grenadier) Regiment Of Foot Guards
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Baptism at Wellington All Saints, 26 Dec 1830
John
Son of John + Susannah Timmis
Abode Aston
Father a Labourer
Image of PR on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS6T-JVVH
1841, Wellington
John Timmis age 10
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQRV-836
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Don't know where this is leading (if anywhere!)
Marriage, 28 Feb 1853, St John Notting Hill
John Timmis, Bachelor, Soldier, residence St Margaret Westminster, father John Timmis, Laborer
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Caroline Kendall, Spinster
Mr Timmis signed.
Image on FS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-996G-26K3
Ancestry, UK, Naval and Military Courts Martial Registers, 1806-1930. Image on Fold3 only.
John Timmis
Grenr. Guards
2 Aug 1856, London
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Baptism at Wellington All Saints, 26 Dec 1830
John
Son of John + Susannah Timmis
1841, Wellington
John Timmis age 10
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQRV-836
Ancestry have John and Susanah (sic), the parents, as Ninnis in 1841.
And the children as Dith (from ditto !)
Add in link to image on FS, over two pages. Family are in Aston.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-93G5-LKGR
There is a 2 year old Susanna there.
Possible birth reg in June 1839, Wellington, of Susan Timis.
New GRO birth index has her as Times!
TIMES, SUSAN
Mother's Maiden Surname: HUGHES
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in WELLINGTON UNION SALOP Volume 18 Page 193
FamilySearch has
John Timmis + Susannah Hughes
15 May 1826, Walsall Foreign
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N21W-S2V
From microfilm 497337, which is Bishop's transcripts for St. Matthew's Church, Walsall, 1821-1830
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Marriage, 28 Feb 1853, St John Notting Hill
John Timmis, Bachelor, Soldier, residence St Margaret Westminster, father John Timmis, Laborer
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Caroline Kendall, Spinster
Mr Timmis signed.
Image on FS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-996G-26K3
Caroline's father was James Kendall, Shipwright.
One of the witnesses looks like Elizabeth Anne Kendall.
There is another marriage a couple of years later.
17 Dec 1855, Holy Trinity, Lambeth
John Smith, Bachelor, Blacksmith
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Caroline Kendell, Spinster, father James Kendell, Shipwright.
Both of full age, residing in Carlisle Street.
Image on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L96Y-VXCX
Is this the same Caroline? Both occasions Caroline marked, father's details the same.
So far found only one Caroline Kendall with a father James who was a shipwright. She was born 4 August 1820, and baptized 4 Sep 1820 at the Independent Chapel, Mevagissey, in Cornwall.
Later on, in January 1828, she was baptized at Mevagissey parish church, along with siblings, their father James Kendal being a Shipwright.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCBS-NYD
Is that her age 20, down at the bottom of the Kendall household in Mevagissey in 1841?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJD-5WXG
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A one off birth, any other sign? :-\
TIMMIS, JOHN
Mother's Maiden Surname: HISCOCK
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 13
Possibly a few of the others with the same GRO ref have Paddington area baptisms.
Just in case! Mention a John Timmis, 20, born Shropshire, a soldier, in New Windsor in 1851. FamilySearch says born Wellington, but ancestry say Whittington. Could be either!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVY-528
LATE EDIT!
1851 Worldwide Army Index has a John Timmis, reg no 5879, Private 1st (Or Grenadier) Regiment Of Foot Guards
I had often wondered about John Hughes' 1871 Census Birth location of "Aston, Shropshire". 51',61' & 81' all said "Wellington" (Which has a few associated towns and villages) But Aston was just a small area, really just a farm "Aston Farm" at the base of the Wrenkin. A lot has changed but not the view. I have thought, what better place for a "Brewer" to start his career then on a farm growing plants for brewing (I do not now what is grown on that farm, but i read somewhere it may be "hops". Only had that one Census, but if you found a "Hiscock" (unique name for me) to be in that same area, would further the theory that he may of been born on that farm. Or at very least met a relative of his future wife.