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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: 29saxbyrd on Saturday 03 April 21 13:13 BST (UK)
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Hi can anybody help locate my nana grave please.I’ve tried so many times and had no luck I’ve come away upset cause I can’t find it ,she is buried in allerton cemetery died 1974 grave number 1274 Section RC23 you think it would be easy having these details but it’s not , I don’t live in Liverpool any help would be great thanks margy.
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Welcome to Rootschat.
Have you contacted the cemetery to ask for a plan showing where he grave is?
If you search Google for Allerton cemetery there are numerous plans available.
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Hi nanny jan
Thank you for your help I will ring up and ask for a plan of the grave .
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Hiya Margy - and a warm welcome to Rootschat
I live 2 miles from Allerton Cemetery
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look at the map - RC23 is at the top by the Jewish section - my mum / dad /brother and nan are not far from there .RC23 is over the main road tothe right of the Crematorium
when you say " I've come away upset " do you mean you have visited Allerton Cemetery ??
if so - if you want to meet let me know - I have 2 friends in our local pub who are grave diggers and know the place like the back of their hands - I could organise one of them to take us straight to the grave - do you know if there is a Headstone ???
https://www.google.com/search?q=allerton+cemetery+plan&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=j4i6Ynhrp3jr-M%252CY5Gp-G6T1ZNwaM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRu50eHrRrAsGJZLX3dFmMDqA2N0g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjwtYLc-ePvAhXeh_0HHTzVBQQQ9QF6BAgNEAE&biw=1366&bih=638#imgrc=j4i6Ynhrp3jr-M
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Which also - makes me think -
My G Grandmother was Sophia Sacht - her sister was Adelaide Sacht - their father was Carl Freidrich Sacht b 1846 in Heligoland - a British Island off germany / Denmark coast - he married a Garston girl Mary Ellen Jones - Carl was a Merchant Sailor .
Sophia married William Edward Oakes - my surname
Adelaide married John Wesley Boyle b 1880 - in my tree I have the following
John Boyle b 1845 - his wife Margaret Boyle b 1853
Robert W Boyle b 1877 - Jane Boyle b 1879
John Wesley and Adelaides children Sophia b 1912 John B 1915 and Carl Frederick Peter b 1901
still a lot of Boyle family here in Garston - and Catherine Boyle is used many times through the years - I would be very interested to know Catherines Maiden name and who she married and whether she was a Garston girl ?? Allerton Cemetery is on the Garston border - many Garston People walk to the cemetery
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.surname=boyle&q.anyPlace=garston&f.recordCountry=England&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on&count=20&offset=0
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Thank you ever so much for replying to my post for my nan I have been with my husband we was given a number of 1274 . RC 23 we have tried but can’t find it . It is under the name Catherine Boyle . And possibly her daughter Veronica . We would be very happy to meet you there when it is convenient to do so . Thanks again margy
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Hi sorry I’ve forgot to mention my nan does have a headstone.
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Hello Margy, Welcome to Rootschat :-)
Can't help with the grave location, sorry.
You said that your nana died in 1974, but the only burial I can find in Allerton for a Catherine Boyle in section RC 23, grave 1274 is for a lady of that name who died in 1975 and was buried on 14th Nov 1975. She was 87 and her address at that time was 146 Donhead Mews(? not too sure as the writing is a bit cramped) in Netherley.
I looked at the old newspapers and there were two entries in the death announcements in the Echo on 12th Nov 1975, page 4, col1.
Neither mention the funeral arrangements or an address but they say she died on 10th November 1975 and were tributes from family members.
If your Nana had daughters named Violet and Maggie then these were for her and I can transcribe them in here for you if you'd like.
If you know when her daughter Veronica died (and if her surname was still Boyle at the time) I can look and see if she is in the same grave.
Boo
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Hi Boo sorry I’ve been given the wrong date she died it was November 1975
We do have the grave number just can’t find it but thank you so much for your help and I don’t know her daughters married name . Margy
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I have found a burial for a Veronica Frances Boyle, age 62 of 28 St Oswald Gardens, Liverpool 13.
Buried at Allerton 19th October 1992, Section RC 23 grave 1274
So yes, she was buried with your nana :-)
There is also an entry for her in the probate calendar 1995
which says she died on 9th Oct 1992. She didn't leave a will and at that time the calendar no longer tells us who was granted administration of her estate.
Boo
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Hi Boo
Thank you so much for finding Vera Boyle that was my Auntie .
I was told she was buried with her mum
Catherine Boyle who died 1975
It means so much to me finding this information out I was never told anything about my family . I’ve been searching for ages . Thank you once again . Margy
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Pleased to have been able to help, Margy.
and there was a notice of her death and funeral arrangements, plus tributes from two of her sisters in the Echo on 15th Oct 1992, page 31 col 3
The death notice says she died in hospital on 11th Oct and she was the daughter of the late Catherine and sister of V, I, J, M and M (names not transcribed in case any are living, but the J was the only male)
Funeral Mass at St Oswald's Parish Church followed by interment at Allerton Cemetery on 19th October.
that date of death is different to the probate calendar entry(which will be correct as it will be taken from a death certificate) -there again the Echo wasn't renowned for accuracy !
The tributes say:
BOYLE - VERA, October 9 1992, suddenly at home .
(Peace be yours Vera, memories ours, good night God bless)
From sister S and family
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BOYLE- VERA October 9 1992, suddenly at home.
(There's a place in my heart called memory land where thoughts of you Vera will always remain.
Good night, God bless)
From sister M and family
So I am unsure if she died at home or in hospital.
Boo
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Hi this is unbelievable how you found this out for me thank you .
I wouldn’t know where to look . I was looking for my nan and found this about my Auntie . I’ve been on some sites and paid but found nothing out . I feel very positive about finding my nana grave
And some people have been so nice . So enjoy the rest of your bank holiday . Thanks margy
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What a heart warming result.
Garstonite is always so kind and willing to share knowledge about that area and Boo’s finds are great, especially that lovely tribute.
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Yes I agree with you they have been amazing and can’t thank them enough
Liverpool people all over salt of the earth they are .
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Sorry I forgot to add in the notices for your nan:
Liverpool Echo 12 November 1975
page 4 col 1
Death Announcements:
BOYLE - November 10, 1975, peacefully, aged 87 years, CATHERINE BOYLE. dear mother of V, grandmother of all her Grandchildren and Great-grandchildren. (We lived in hope, we prayed in vain, that God would make you well again, but the Lord decided we must part, you died and left us with a broken heart. R.I.P.)
BOYLE - November 10, 1975, CATHERINE BOYLE. (Words are few, thoughts are deep, memories of you, mother are ours to keep).
Loving daughter M, A, Grandchildren, and Great-Grandchildren.
(The A in the second one seems to have been the husband of M)
Boo
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Yes I agree with you they have been amazing and can’t thank them enough
Liverpool people all over salt of the earth they are .
We Geordie lasses are 'aalreet' too :-)
We all get help at one time or another Margy, nice to be able to 'pay forward' now and then :-)
Boo
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Hiya Marj
just sent you a PM XX
added- I now know exactly where the section is - and hopefully we will find some graves with the section numbers on the back to be able to find 1274 ... I will go 9 am in the morning ..xx
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Hi boo you are truly amazing thank you for that information about my nan. Geordie lasses are just like Scouse lasses .
I can’t thank you enough for doing this thanks margy .
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Good Morning Marj
Good News
I found the grave - I rang you twice but the phone just went dead - so I text you - maybe I have copied your number wrong
anyway
Headstone reads
" In Loving Memory of our Dear Mother"
Catherine Boyle
Died 15th November 1975 aged 87 years
Also Beloved Daughter of Above
Veronica Frances Boyle
Died 9th October 1992 aged 62
top of headstone has a Rose each side
there is a Pot there - so that's a bonus for your flowers .
glad the weather was nice
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My friends gravestone is not that far away -
anyway
I will wait for your reply and arrange to meet one day and show you where the grave is ....
So glad I found it - for YOUR satisfaction - will be nice to go your Nanas grave and talk to her ....xxxx
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Headstone says 9th October - so the death notice was wrong
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Yes, as per, dates get mixed up, I suppose only the death certificate would give a more accurate date and place of death.
Boo
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Good morning everyone just like to say a massive big thank you to garstonite who found my nans grave and met me at the cemetery to show me where it was. Can’t thank him enough so helpful the fact that he went out of his way people like him restore every ones faith in humanity.
Also Tickettyboo who found out about my Nans family she really did go out of her way for me and I will always be grateful having been brought up in care most of my life I was never given any information about my parents & family so I feel Christmas has come all in one go you are so great all of you .thanks
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That’s splendid news. I am so glad for you and well done to garstonite, so very kind, and also to Boo.
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Marj - I seen first hand what that meant to you to find your Nans and your Aunties grave - to see your emotion was worth every second to me - I was SO GLAD to be of help and bring you a little closure - now you can visit your family whenever you want xxxxxx :)