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I have details of a burial in 1845 in Rochester,Kent (Nathaniel Hardee) but he does not appear on the GRO index.
First time I've encountered this; did this sometimes happen?
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As he is shown in the parish burials as being on a barge on the Thames, could his death be recorded in another register?
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I have one where i found the burial of an infant daughter of my 3* great grandparents on 11 April 1841 but no matching death. Kept being drawn to a death with the same name and expected registration district in the following quarter so asked the GRO. Turns out it was the one i was looking for, registered on 2 July 1841.
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As he is shown in the parish burials as being on a barge on the Thames, could his death be recorded in another register?
That's him! I was planning on ordering a PDF (working on a tree for a friend) but nothing... even trying surname variations. :(
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As he is shown in the parish burials as being on a barge on the Thames, could his death be recorded in another register?
Good thinking - there's a Nathaniel Hardy death in Chelsea in Sep qtr 1845, age 32. Does that fit?
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I have one where i found the burial of an infant daughter of my 3* great grandparents on 11 April 1841 but no matching death. Kept being drawn to a death with the same name and expected registration district in the following quarter so asked the GRO. Turns out it was the one i was looking for, registered on 2 July 1841.
I used the full year when I searched.......no success.
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As he is shown in the parish burials as being on a barge on the Thames, could his death be recorded in another register?
Good thinking - there's a Nathaniel Hardy death in Chelsea in Sep qtr 1845, age 32. Does that fit?
Unlikely as he had no obvious connection with Chelsea; age a few years out....he was 29 (shown on burial register).
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There’s a death in 3rd 1845 in St Luke’s Chelsea for a Nathaniel Hardy, aged 32, so close to the age on burial. Could that be him? Vol 3, page 36.
Edited - sorry didn’t see this had already been suggested.
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The burial register actually reads - On board a barge in the Rivers Thames & Medway. Perhaps on or around the canal? Chelsea seems unlikely.
You could try contacting the Medway register office for a local registration, in case it never reached the GRO?
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Surely the Chelsea one is a possibility, given that it’s close to the Thames and the age for those times is pretty good. Died and registered there but buried at ‘home’ 🤔
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The burial register actually reads - On board a barge in the Rivers Thames & Medway. So perhaps on or around the canal? Chelsea seems unlikely.
What's the date of the burial - ie is it consistent with a registration in Sep qtr? And is there an alternative burial anywhere to fit the Chelsea registration?
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6 July
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Good idea about contacting the Medway RO.
Looking at my trusty BIG Road Atlas (2017) the Rivers Thames and Medway are too far from Chelsea.
Nathaniel was buried on 6 July 1845 in Rochester.
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Looking at my trusty BIG Road Atlas (2017) the Rivers Thames and Medway are too far from Chelsea.
Chelsea is on the north bank of the Thames, opposite Battersea.
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The burial register actually reads - On board a barge in the Rivers Thames & Medway. Perhaps on or around the canal? Chelsea seems unlikely.
The burial register records where someone lived ('Abode'), not where they died. This entry suggests that he was a waterman living on a barge who regularly plied those two rivers - which could easily include any parts of London adjacent to the river.
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I have emailed Medway RO with his details. Will update if I get any answer.
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Just had an email from Medway Reg Office asking me to telephone about my query! Quite a surprise as expected the usual..."office busy due pandemic etc".
On my list for tomorrow. Another update to follow.......
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Update delayed.....a combination of the RO busy and me having to spend time trying to deal with a heating failure.
Second attempt tomorrow!
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The burial register actually reads - On board a barge in the Rivers Thames & Medway. Perhaps on or around the canal? Chelsea seems unlikely.
The burial register records where someone lived ('Abode'), not where they died. This entry suggests that he was a waterman living on a barge who regularly plied those two rivers - which could easily include any parts of London adjacent to the river.
Agreed, watermen could have travelled anywhere between Rochester and the eastern Berkshire parts of the Thames. There is a deaths at sea register, now merged into the British Armed Forces and Overseas Deaths on findmypast, but he doesn't appear there
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/british-armed-forces-and-overseas-deaths-and-burials
I agree that the Nathaniel Hadley could be him, even if the age and spelling differs slightly.
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Wikipedia article on the Thames/Medway sailing barges: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_sailing_barge
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Thanks ShaunJ; that looks to be an interesting read.
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Just spoken with Medway RO (very helpful) but he is not registered there. So perhaps he is the one at Chelsea......
As I am helping a friend I will ask if they want to risk £7 on a PDF.
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Update!
£7 risked on a PDF......it is the right man! Died on 1st July in Chelsea on his barge but not registered until 28th August......long after he was buried back in Rochester.
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So worth the £7 :) Always good to get a result.
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Thanks for letting us know - good result.