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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Georgina harris on Sunday 04 April 21 19:01 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone, I would love to know more information about my grandfather Called “old Joe” real name Joe Millens, he was born the 10th April 1894, but I don’t know where he was buried, apparently he died 1963 at the age of 69.The only record of him I found on Ancestry is from 1939 when he was working at Hoads Farm. In position of Farm labourer.On that record he was there with my Nan Patience Harris, George Harris my dad, and Naomei Millens.
Is there anyone’s can tell me more about my grandfather joe Millens and Naomei Millens
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You say he was your grandfather but he was single aged 45 on the 1939 census. Who did he marry?
You refer to Patience Harris as your grandmother but she was Patricia & George Harris as your father so where does Millens fit in?
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Dear Carol W, we know he was single, cause they never get married! Millens was my dad father. But because my Nan and joe they were not married, she kept her single name.
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I think Patience may have been born in Uckfield Sussex. Do you think they could have been travellers? Patience/Patricia and Naomie were both listed as landworkers and hawkers in 1939.
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Yes My grandparents was travellers and my mum and dad
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Were you hoping to find out where they were born, and who their parents were? I haven't had much luck in my quick searches for births of your grandparents, but I am not sure how good they would have been at registering births?
There is a section on this site for traveller ancestry. If you click on "Forum" at the top of the page, then scroll down the list quite a long way, you will find Travelling people.
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There is no death in 1963 under Millin/Millen or Millens
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What relation was Naomi? Patricia/Patience is not old enough to be her mother
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She was He’s daughter from a different marriage
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I can't find a birth for Naomie either. A very elusive family!
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I wonder if this could be Patience's family, possibility only of course. Thought they might be with a community of travellers but appear to be on their own.
Harris family, general hawkers living in two caravans Thetford.
1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7R7-Y19
Joe is being really hard to find!
Cathy
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That looks good, her age is about right. Still can't find a birth record - I suspect there isn't one.
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I have asked the moderator to move your post to the Travelling People board as there may be people with more knowledge of the family etc
You say Naomi was his daughter from a previous marriage but he was single in 1939. Like George - she may have been born under another surname
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Found a newspaper article about the "Funeral at Cranbook of Mrs C Roberts" there is a lengthy list os mourners including Patience, Joe and lots of Harris's. Also a Naomi.
Available Findmypast or...
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=%22funeral%20at%20cranbrook%22&phrasesearch=funeral%20at%20cranbrook&retrievecountrycounts=false&sortorder=score&newspapertitle=sevenoaks%2Bchronicle%2Band%2Bkentish%2Badvertiser&page=0
If you register I think you can get three pages free.
Cathy
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I wonder if this could be Patience's family, possibility only of course. Thought they might be with a community of travellers but appear to be on their own.
Harris family, general hawkers living in two caravans Thetford.
1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7R7-Y19
Joe is being really hard to find!
Cathy
If this is Patience's family then the following are probably 3 birth registrations of Patience siblings.
Dolphus,
HARRIS, ADOLPHUS HORNE
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in HOO Volume 02A Page 722 (may have said Hove on census and been mistranscribed but both in Kent.
Lovey,
HARRIS, LAVINIA HORNE
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 1054 as per census
Emma
HARRIS, EMMA HORN
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in BRAINTREE Volume 04A Page 815 as per census
John
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Possible 4 more birth's ??
GRAY, ELIJAH HORNE
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in WOODBRIDGE Volume 04A Page 982
GRAY, URIAH HORN
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in BOSMERE Volume 04A Page 883
GRAY, ALGER HORN
GRO Reference: 1903 J Quarter in NEWMARKET Volume 03B Page 477
GRAY, CONSTANCE HORN
GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in COLCHESTER Volume 04A Page 615
John
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Wondering if Patience is really Louisa Alice as below.
GRAY, LOUISA ALICE HORNE
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in BRAINTREE Volume 04A Page 857
It appears that children after Alger have surname Harris and from Uriah down to Louisa Alice with surname Gray.
Struggling with Hulia, Elias and Jenby at present. Cannot find any marriages for Horn/e-Gray or Horn/e/Harris or Harris/Gray that fit.
John
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Was Elias Harris previously Elias Gray?
1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X94W-4FX
John
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birth reg
Patience Grey dec qtr 1900 Maldon vol 4a pg 688 mmn Horn
1901 census in Suffolk
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSV7-KTK
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Well found osprey, my "grey" matter was working overtime with all these names.
John
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It's not easy when names, ages and places of birth vary, is it?
I'm wondering if this is Elias & family in 1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27D-1G91
There's another van next to them with a Harris family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27D-1G7T
Could be a coincidence.
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