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General => The Common Room => The Lighter Side => Topic started by: Byles1978 on Tuesday 06 April 21 17:58 BST (UK)
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Hi Monica,
Hopefully you will see this message from our conversation last night re Isabella Smith's Father as I see most of our chat from last night has disappeared. Please see the attached and give me your thoughts please. In addition it appears Euphemia was 15 years old when she had Isabella.
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If you click on your user name and then on show posts, you can see your previous posts. Just click on the title of the thread you want.
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All that has happened is that the Mods have created your own thread here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=847107.0 so it wouldn't be confused with the details on the other searches for unrelated people.
I will ask one of the Mods to link this post to your main thread so you can keep everything together :)
Monica
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Re James Ritchie. Great to have this confirmation. Guessing there is a note on the birth reg for Isabella that makes a reference to the Register of Corrected Entries (RCE) and this document was attached to the birth on SP?
So, yes, you do have Isabella's father confirmed as a James Ritchie, an apprentice Stone Cutter (also referred to as Mason). You could check Charles' birth entry some years later to see whether Euphemia took the same action and anything has been added to his birth entry on the Register.
Monica
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The only James Ritchie I could see in 1881 with the occupation of stone cutter was born in 1859 which would make him 13-14 years old when Isabella was born...which would not be good :-\
I have found a better fit though who shows as Mason, the same age as Euphemia and also born in Nairn where, as we know, Euphemia was living and Isabella born:
James Ritchie, 26, Mason, lodger b. Nairn. He is lodging with the Anderson family at 96 Grove Street, Milton, Glasgow.
Monica
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Thanks Monica, with Euphemia being 15 when she had Isabella I guess anything is possible. Will keep on persevering. Isabella's Birth certificate was not connected to the notice as far as I could see so it still does not show the father.
Re Charles when I looked a few years ago there was not a notice but I will look again. I think some of this explains why the Family tried to keep this hush
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And with family in 1871, everyone born in Nairn:
Francis Ritchie 59 Blacksmith
Isabella Ritchie 53
Francis Ritchie 23
Alexander Ritchie 19
James Ritchie 17 Mason (apprentice) b. Nairn
George Ritchie 13
Janet Gollan 80 Mother
Address: Shaw's Close (no No), Nairn
Isabella's maiden name is Gollan, so Janet Gollan above must be her mother rather than Francis. Francis and Isabella married in Nairn on 6 March 1840.
Francis and Isabella's burial details here www.findagrave.com/memorial/183006768/francis-ritchie
Monica
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Scotlands People have been over the years trying to add the images for RCE entries to the register entries that they pertain to. Did Isabella's birth reg show some notes on the l/h margin of the register entry? These notes are the references to the RCE, which for many certs you can now view the RCE online alongside the birth entry.
Monica
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This is James' christening entry www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1D5-CGZ
A small family tree here on A/try www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/8293955/person/24904310138/facts
Struggling to see what happened with James Ritchie after the 1881 census...
Monica
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Thanks for this Monica. I am going to have to ask my cousin Peter re the left hand side as he is the one that found it.
the only thing that is bothering me now is that I downloaded Euphemia's death certificate today and in the parents column there is a strike and then in the family column it has Helen Smith, daughter in law. It is on my work laptop. I will send it tomorrow.
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Re James Ritchie...he headed off the US it seems. His marriage details in NY from 1893 www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:24H6-N8L
I found a possible census entry earlier which now makes sense with the reference to the surname Dundas. From 1900 in Manhattan www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6QNS-W8F?cc=1325221&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMSVQ-S24 Wrong birth date but occupation of stone cutter.
Monica
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Some additional sources for James Ritchie for you to follow up here www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/97CV-8RN
Added: Death details for him www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/97CV-8RN here. Apart from error for mum's first name (Isabella v. Mary) seems good confirmation for you.
Monica
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Hi Monica, this is the death certificate you suggested for Euphemia Smith. The question I have is the reference to her daughter in law Helen Muir Smith and the strike in her parents section. Could Charles have been married before he married Mary?
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Charles Smith showed as a widower when he married Mary Carmichael in 1933. So, yes, I would say Helen is likely first wife who reported mother in law Euphemia's death in 1916. She looks to not have known/remembered Euphemia's parents' names. This is something that happens as we know even today.
On the death reg, it shows Helen as Helen Muir Smith. With that detail of the middle name, there is this marriage in Edinbugh that you could check:
Charles Smith and Helen Muir Geddes
1914
Ref 685/4 34
St Giles Edinburgh
There is a death showing in 1930 that looks to be Charles' wife's entry:
HELEN MUIR SMITH/GEDDES
Age 42
1930
Ref 282/1 35
St Mary and St Peter, Dundee
Monica
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That is fantastic. Thank you Monica.
Quentin