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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: iwccc on Friday 09 April 21 02:32 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help me? For a family coming from England to Australia in 1880 assisted passage. What was the procedure when you were sponsored by someone and a deposit paid (entered into a journal)?
Also keen to find a photograph of the ship "Camperdown' that arrived in Sydney in June 1880. Thank you in anticipation of assistance.
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Hi there,
The New South Wales State Archives holds the Immigration Deposit Journals covering 1853 to 31 May 1900 and they have partnerships with several commercial family history websites resulting in digitised images being available via those subscription websites, but usually only on the 'au' subscription options.
The older Microfilm copy of the State Records Reels 2668 to 2676 still exit and are readily available at the Kingswood (Western Sydney) Office. They are also readily available in the Archives Resources Kit (ARK) at various regional locations throughout NSW.
I am aware of the huge effort made quite some time ago now by volunteers (including me) to put together a consolidated index of the immigrants and depositors records. Perhaps 15 to 20 microfiche were prepared as a result.
I should also explain that the Sponsors and the Depositors were people located in New South Wales who were sponsoring and often funding via deposits of funds in NSW to help family and friends come to New South Wales.
JM
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Agh, at same time as I was typing up that reply, one of my elderly rellies (a retired Archivist) was also reading iwccc's post. So he has phoned me ....
See a publication from NSW State Archives
Its the 3rd Edition Concise Guide to the State Archives, 2000. It has a lengthy section which should answer all the aspects of the question posed by iwccc.
I add that I have found the following brief outline at NSW State Archives website.
The shrunk url link
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qib/
These journals record moneys deposited in the Colony by persons wishing to sponsor the immigration of a nominated person or group of persons, frequently members of their own family or persons they wished to employ.
Initially, these volumes show certificate number; particulars re Colonial Treasurer's report; name of depositors; amounts deposited towards cost of passage and of outfit; and name and age of sponsored migrant. Later, their form changes, and they then show certificate number; deposit number; name of depositor or sponsor; date of deposit; particulars of name, age, calling and address (in the United Kingdom) of the sponsored migrant; name and address (in the United Kingdom) of referee; amount paid towards cost of passage and outfit; nationality (English, Scotch, Irish, Foreigner) of sponsored migrant; ship and date of arrival; and, if necessary, date of refund of deposit on account of the non-arrival of the nominee.
JM
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http://marinersandships.com.au/1880/06/036cam.htm Passengers on the Camperdown, June 1880
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4805&ship=Camperdown Passengers on the Camperdown, June 1880
Log of Logs for info on the Camperdown https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812968.0
A query from 2010 : https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=459326.0
Archives Resources Kit locations and info about it : https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/archives-resources-kit-ark
Hope this is all useful.
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qic/
The 3rd edition is available online via Pandora, ie part of the huge National Library of Australia’s TROVE website. I have posted a live shrunken link to the Table of Contents page covering H to K topics. Scroll down to the heading Immigration, click on it, and scroll down to items 10, 11, 12. Remember that in 2000 there was still ready access to Archives via the City office.
10. Applications from persons in the colony nominating immigrants 1857-95 – giving the INDEX reference numbers for NSW State Archives to locate that holding.
11. Register of applications for assisted passages to NSW including 1880 – Index reference nos. are for NSW Archives
12. Assisted passage declarations 1880-88 – and again Index ref nos. for NSW Archives.
https://pandora.nla.gov.au/ was a grand website, and likely is best preserved via Trove ... in my opinion... :D
JM
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You probably already have the following newspaper cuttings, but I am posting here to share with the broader RChat community ... a quarantine matter and a 1880 version of a 'lockdown' and a protest.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/238485879 Sydney Daily Telegraph 30 June 1880.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/108742653 Evening News, Sydney 30 June 1880 .... The headline 'The Quarantining of the ship Camperdown, of Fair Play and No Humbug'
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13462957 Sydney Morning Herald 26 June 1880 Immigrants per Camperdown and the matter of NO BEDDING raised in NSW Parliament.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/238481354 Daily Tele 25 June 1880
Legislative Assembly 24 June 1880. .... Members of Parliament as Contractors' Agents ....
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'The Camperdown Immigrants.
Mr Melville asked, without notice, if it was true that the immigrants of the ship Camperdown, at present in quarantine, were without beds or bedding, these articles having been thrown overboard on account of a case of measles.
Mr Watson said their (sic) was not truth in the statement, as the immigrants' wants were all provided for.
Sir Henry Parkes said he had received a petition from the immigrants, in which no mention was made of the matter'....
Measles in the 1880s was often a fatal disease for adult populations throughout NSW.
Sir Henry Parkes was the Premier. (ie leader of the party on the Treasury benches of the lower house of the NSW Parliament).
JM
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Thank You majm, Some very good references. I have managed to follow up most of them - still have some trouble with a couple of sites.
My next question is 'did people in England apply to be sponsored to come to Australia'? 'Was there a programme whereby people could seek to find a sponsor? I realise that some were sponsored by a family member or acquaintance in Australia but what about others who knew no one here? Were these ships called 'bounty' ships. Was there a programme whereby the whole ship would be full of people coming under this programme? Was it ever possible for an immigrant to pay part of his fare and the sponsor pay the rest? In the case I am following the sponsor would have had to pay for the whole family. This procedure has me fascinated. Thanks again for such great follow ups
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http://www.roosen.com.au/Background/Bounty_System.html
If you contact the NSW State Library they will have huge resources to help further with the many different immigration schemes set up in each of the seven colonies .... Seven? Yes, that includes New Zealand, as of course at one time Queen Victoria's administrative aims were to federate the seven colonies into one colony. It did not happen, but as at 1 January 1901 six of the seven were federated into one British colony and all seven retained their own already established parliaments. So New Zealand was not part of the federation of the Commonwealth of Australia. But the constitution for the federation transferred power over immigration from the six states to the Commonwealth. So basically, until Federation, each of the six Australian jurisdictions was responsible for their own laws, regulations and practices re immigration post the penal settlement era... So there's ethnicity laws to take into consideration as well as Land Commissioners, and Emigration Agents, and South Australia was set up as a 'free of convicts' jurisdiction, whereas Western Australia petitioned Queen Victoria to send them male convicts ... long after transportation had ended in New South Wales ....
Search out the Trove newspapers, some very detailed articles there with loads of historic information.
Also, look out for some very informative papers from various universities including for example, Uni of New England's History School.
JM
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Also, try the Australian centric 'Google Scholar' rather than 'Google' or 'Google au'.
https://scholar.google.com.au/
At the Australian version of Google scholar, ask it a question about for example :
Emigration Schemes to Australian Colonies in the nineteenth century? or ...
'How Did Poor People Emigrate from the British Isles to Australia in the Nineteenth Century? "
The second option may turn up a 30 page Essay by that title. Essay published in Volume 32, No. 3 of the Journal of British Studies, Cambridge University Press. It is a tad dated (July 1993) but it is somewhere to start. Proper APA citation : Richards, E. (1993). How Did Poor People Emigrate from the British Isles to Australia in the Nineteenth Century? Journal of British Studies, 32(3), 250-279. Retrieved April 9, 2021, from http://www.jstor.org/stable/176082 If you have a NSW state library readers card you should be able to retrieve it...
JM
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https://collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/resource/PRG+1373/10/9
The iron ship 'Camperdown', 1487 tons, moored at Gravesend, U.K. [iron ship, 1575 tons, ON72548, 245.9 x 38.3 x 23.0. Built 1875 (4) A. Stephen and Sons, Dundee. Owners David Bruce and Co. Registered Dundee. Missing since August 1891]. One of the ships owned by D. Bruce and Co., Dundee.
This image is from the A.D. Edwardes Collection of about 8,000 photographs, mostly of sailing ships from around the world, taken between about 1865 and 1920. Mounted in 91 albums, the photographs are arranged by country of ownership, with some special volumes such as 'Shipping at Port Adelaide' and 'South Australian outports'. Additional information, giving the history of the ships where known, has been provided by maritime historian, Ron Parsons. Restrictions This image has no known copyright restrictions. Please refer to the State Library's Conditions of use Physical description Photograph; 14.1 cm x 20 cm Dates / Publication details Approximately 1880
The tonnage on the passenger list as per the mariners and ships in Australian Waters website matches up with the tonnage for the vessel linked in this post.... 1487 Tons. Also the home port of Dundee further supports the notion that the image in the link in this post is for the vessel arriving in Sydney in June 1880.
slsa is the State Library of South Australia. I used "Google Images" and searched for "Ship Camperdown from England to Australia 1880" So please ask the State Library of South Australia for permission to use the image. https://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/contact-us
JM
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:) :)
So the name/s ages occupations of the Assisted Immigrants and their then current UK address would be recorded in the depositors journal, against the entry showing the amount the NSW based sponsor was depositing towards the fares for the sea voyage to NSW.
So the Sponsor's name would be recorded and the actual amount lodged per person. By 1880s, adult fares would apply to passengers aged 12 or 14 and over. Half fares for children... so a deposit being lodged for an entire family would be 2 quid each for Mum, Dad, and each teenage child, and 1quid each for the younger children.
Also, please do Remember to check the passenger lists carefully, as older children could be treated as single applications, not listed with family, and have different sponsor arrangements. So from about 16 years of age, singles, male and female were not part of the same "ticket" for their parents/younger siblings for passage to the colony of NSW ... look at Camperdown passenger list, families by surname, and then later pages, single males by surname and single females by surname ... a typical layout.... notice that sometimes the compiler noted if family members were onboard....
The depositors journals, by the 1880s, also included the name and address of a person in the UK who had verified the info about the family. So for example, that person was often the family's Reverend at their local church, prior to migration.
If you have a NSW State Library readers card, then from your armchair, go online and read the various 19th century UK digitised newspapers freely available ... keywords could include:
Emigration Agents for New South Wales....
Emigration Schemes for NSW
NSW Assisted Passage
JM
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Do you have a family connection to passengers on the Camperdown in 1880 or are you searching background for the various sponsors of passengers on that voyage. I notice the surname BALDWIN on that passenger list, and from earlier threads to which I have posted I recognise that surname as of interest to you.
JM
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Hello majm,, Yes I am still trying to piece together information about the Baldwin family. they came to Australia twice to my current knowledge - once on the Melmerby and again on the Camperdown. Just trying to verify their movements and why them came etc.
Thanks for the information and advice regarding tracking down how to research the Deposit Journals. Much appreciated.