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Title: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: RodEast on Friday 09 April 21 10:53 BST (UK)
Can anyone help with the marriage of a Lakeman (male) and a McQuire (female circa 1926.

I have the following Lakeman children all registered in Ipswich with the mothers maiden name of McQuire:
Robert S 1926
Jack C 1927
Betty J 1928
Frederick W 1930
Doris E 1931
but I have failed to find a marriage.  Any help appreciated.
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: groom on Friday 09 April 21 11:33 BST (UK)
From the 1939 register it looks as if the father was Robert Lakeman born 1886 and the mother Ellen born 1890. I can't see a marriage though.
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: johnhood on Friday 09 April 21 15:45 BST (UK)
Is it possible that Robert John Lakeman had married a Winifred Morriss in Medway district in 1914. This is the same registration area as his birth, and so was not in a "legal" position to marry Ellen.

John
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 09 April 21 15:51 BST (UK)
GRO index has childrens births registered in both surnames so presumably they were not married

Births Sep qtr 1926 
Lakeman    Robert S    McQuire    Ipswich    4a   1670   
McQuire    Robert S    McQuire    Ipswich    4a   1670   

Births Dec qtr 1927   
Lakeman    Jack C    McQuire    Ipswich    4a   1487    
McQuire    Jack C    McQuire    Ipswich    4a   1487
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 09 April 21 15:54 BST (UK)
Births Dec qtr 1928 
Lakeman    Betty J    McQuire    Ipswich    4a   1540    
McQuire    Betty J    McQuire    Ipswich    4a   1540

Births Mar qtr 1930 
Lakeman    Frederick W    McQuire    Ipswich    4a   1644    
McQuire    Frederick W    McQuire    Ipswich    4a   1644

Births Sep qtr 1931 
Lakeman    Doris E    McQuire    Ipswich    4a   1682    
McQuire    Doris E    McQuire    Ipswich    4a   1682
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: RodEast on Friday 09 April 21 16:51 BST (UK)
Thanks for that. According to Robert Lakeman's Army attestation form there is a Winifred Morris born circa 1894 and married at Chatham Registry office on 14 Oct 1944.  There is a child shown born Aug 1917 which looks like Ernest Frank but the writing is not good and I can't find any ref to him nor to what happened to Winifred.
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: johnhood on Friday 09 April 21 17:20 BST (UK)
So it looks as though Robert was married to Winifred. The Ernest Frank JERMEY was born 13th August 1917 mmn Jermey. He appears in 1939 the guest of HMP Lewes with the name Robert E Jermey dob 13 July 1917 and married, and he dies in 1993 in Brentwood Essex as Robert Ernest with a dob as per Robert's military record. Looking to see who he married if he indeed did.

John
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: johnhood on Friday 09 April 21 17:38 BST (UK)
Possibly Robert Jermey marriage and death of wife

Marriages Mar 1940   
Bidmead    Winifred M    Jermey    W. Ham    4a   250   
Boughton    Alfred R    Gibson    W.Ham    4a   250   
Gibson    Emily M F    Boughton    W.Ham    4a   250    
Jermey    Robert E    Bidmead    W.Ham    4a   250   
Wilton    Margaret    Caskey    W.Ham    4a   250    

Winifred May Jermey
22 Aug 1919   Jul 1981   Jul-Aug-Sep   Brentwood   Essex


Probably 8 children born with Jermey surname and mmn Bidmead

John
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: johnhood on Friday 09 April 21 17:51 BST (UK)
Chelmsford Chronicle 07 April 1939

Article detailing why he was in Lewes prison. There is other interesting info in this article as well re Robert being the adopted son.

John
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: RodEast on Friday 09 April 21 17:58 BST (UK)
Is there a reference where I can see the article?
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: johnhood on Friday 09 April 21 18:43 BST (UK)
Article can be found on Findmypast user the name Robert Ernest Jeremy. John
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: RodEast on Friday 09 April 21 19:27 BST (UK)
I must be having a senior moment.  Can you explain how I get to see the article and the 1939 census for Lewes prison.  Sorry for being thick
RodEast
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: RodEast on Friday 09 April 21 19:47 BST (UK)
Sorry. Figured it out.  I don't have there right subscription to read the article
RodEast
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: johnhood on Friday 09 April 21 20:21 BST (UK)
Rod Iíll send you a pm tomorrow with details john
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: johnhood on Saturday 10 April 21 13:54 BST (UK)
Wonder if other's with more experience can help Rod with regard to Winifred. The newspaper article suggests Robert Ernest Jermey was the adopted son of one Winifred Tomsett aged 42 who was living with a Frederick Tomsett. Is this Winifred Robert Lakelands first wife nee Morriss. Winifred appears in 1939 reg with a dob of 21.5.1894. I think she dies in 1980 with a dob given as 2.7.1893. There is also a possible school record with a dob 26.11.1893.

Thanks in advance

John
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: RodEast on Saturday 10 April 21 14:10 BST (UK)
Frederick Tomsett married Winifred Lakeman about December 1941 in East Ham, Essex ref 4A 421.
RodEast
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: RodEast on Saturday 10 April 21 14:16 BST (UK)
Looks good.  Winifred Morriss's birth was registered in 3rd qtr 1894 in Lambeth 1D 448.
RodEast
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: johnhood on Saturday 10 April 21 14:42 BST (UK)
Rod, looks as though both Robert Jermey and Frederick Tomsett both married after their spell in prison. Frederick was in Dartmoor in 1939 occ retired cook as per newspaper article.

Do you think Robert Jermey/Ernest Frank was the son of Robert Lakeman and a Ms Jermey?

John
Title: Re: Lakeman - McQuire circa 1926
Post by: RodEast on Saturday 10 April 21 14:59 BST (UK)
Yes I think so as his birth is stated on  Robert Lakeman's Military Service Record but I have no idea what she was called.  I don't think Robert and Winifred Morriss were divorced as his later relationship with Ellen never resulted in marriage
RodEast