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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: jennyrob on Saturday 10 April 21 12:19 BST (UK)
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I have now the marriage cert of Thomas Hall age 23 and Ellen Jefferies 22 They married 26 Jan 1875 in Cardiff
Thomas Hall according to censuses was born Clevedon Somerset or Weston Super Mare
He was said to be a sailor at marriage which ties in as he became a channel pilot on Bristol Channel His father was said to be Alfred Hall a farmer deceased
Witnesses H and Mary Patterson
I cant seem to find a birth record for Thomas
I can see on 1861 census a Thomas Hall 1853 Clevedon living as a boarder with Jane Hall a widow born 1819 Congresbury living in Weston Super Mare
Cant find a marriage for a Jane to Alfred Hall
I can see Thomas on census 1871 as Assistant pilot born "Waters Upandre Somerset" Said to be found Under Pier Head Cardiff
Could do with some help thanks
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Yes birth is elusive isn't it :-\
Maybe we can find Jane and/or Alfred somewhere to help us out.
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Thanks for getting back I might not be right about Thomas Hall and his mother but I cant find any other in that area around about same age Could se have been a single mother and just said she was a widow for effect
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Yes she could have been single and claimed to be a widow but as they were both boarders we can't necessarily assume they were mother and son :-\
He may have made up Alfred Hall farmer if he didn't know his father but not giving up yet.
Maybe the witness names would help? Will have a look.
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Think I can find the witnesses in 1871 Cardiff.
Married Bridgewater 1849.
Henry was a mariner.
None of which helps with Thomas.
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Thanks for your help
"Waters Upandre Somerset" Is that a real place or is it a typo error ?
What reg district does Weston and Clevedon come under Is it Axbridge
Is there some sort of seamans record ?
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What reg district does Weston and Clevedon come under Is it Axbridge
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/som.html
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W-s-M was in Axbridge Registration District, 1837-1936.
Clevedon was in Bedminster Registration District, 1837-1899; then Long Ashton Registration District from 1899 to 1936.
Both Clevedon and W-s-M became part of Weston-super-Mare Registration District in 1936, until 1974.
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Thanks for that
Cant think of any other certificates I can buy to get back in time with Thomass relatives So frustrating
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Married Bridgewater 1849.
That would be Bridgwater?! ;D ;D
No "E" in the middle!
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"Waters Upandre Somerset" Is that a real place or is it a typo error ?
It says Weston super Mare, Somersetshire.
Debra :)
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I rang Cardiff Bereavement Services and checked the death record of 1934 They found his grave in Cathays cemetery His wife Ellen was in same grave Still no clue of his past
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It's a frustrating one for sure.
All I can think is to look for Thomas births in the right registration district and check those out in case he was registered with a different surname :-\
There might be one with "Hall" as a middle name for example.
Wish I could think of something else but stumped.
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Thankyou for all your help
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Sorry not finished.
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I can see on 1861 census a Thomas Hall 1853 Clevedon living as a boarder with Jane Hall a widow born 1819 Congresbury living in Weston Super Mare
You may have seen this entry from the previous 1851 census.
Clevedon
Jane HOOPER or HARPER, 29, Head, Married, born Congresbury
Mary Ann HALL, Daughter, 7, born Congresbury
Plus two boarders.
Could this be the same Jane?
Debra :)
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That looks interesting Debra.
Just a quick look at GRO and there is a
Thomas Hooper Sep 1852 Bedminster with mothers maiden name Hall
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1841 there is a
William Hooper 30
Jane Hooper 20
but don't know if this is the same Jane
perhaps we could find a William Hooper marriage (assuming they were husband and wife) to a Jane to see if she was Hall
It's all not quite making sense yet
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Another Hooper / Hall birth was Emma in 1849 Bedminster reg district
Emma Hooper
Baptism 12 Feb 1849
Clevedon, Somerset
Father James Hooper
Mother Jane
Father's occupation Labourer
Emma was buried 25 Feb 1849
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Just ruling out one Mary Ann Hall
born Sep 1842 Bedminster mothers name Mellier
her father was Robert Hall when she married so likely these parents
Marriage Sep 1842
Robert Hall
Hester Millier
The other Mary Ann Hall born Bedminster Mar 1844 has mothers maiden name Drewe
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Wow you researchers are amazing Cant get my head around info Will see if I can figure it out tonight x
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Have found a Thomas Hall 1851 born Clevedon on Gallantry and Long service medals National Archives
Wouldnt let me buy it last night Will try again tonight
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This won;t progress the search but I wondered if you had seen this little news item about Thomas?
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3424500/3424504/92/
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Thanks that's Brilliant Very generous
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When he was apprenticed to a pilot in Cardiff on 1 Sept 1873, he said his age was 22, which may help count potential births in or out
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I sometimes use http://www.portbury-hundred.co.uk/.
Unfortunately Clevedon isn't included.
But there are some W-S-M records, that might prove fruitful?
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Thanks so much Will investigate x
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Have found a Thomas Hall 1851 born Clevedon on Gallantry and Long service medals National Archives
Wouldnt let me buy it last night Will try again tonight
If you mean his medal card then you should be able to download it from TNA free of charge, you just need to be registered with the site
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8024092
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Thanks everyone
Got medals Certificate lic no 70 year birth 1851 Clevedon lived Paget Street Cardiff
Got my head around the Hooper Hall connection Would it help to try and get a death for Jane Hall Hooper
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Would it help to get a birth cert for Thomas Hooper ?
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Got birth cert of Thomas hooper 12 June 1852
His father was James and his mother was Jane Hooper formerly Hall James was a labourer Mark of Jane Hooper mother Clevedon District Yatton Somerset
I dont think this has got me further forward Any ideas please