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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: aeroqueen on Saturday 10 April 21 20:46 BST (UK)
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Hello
i have a Thomas Metcalfe in the 1901 census in Ebberston a groom age 22 birth place given as Snainton
so birth around 1879 .
i cannot find him in the 1891 census or the 1881
any help would be greatly appreciated.
kind regards Meg
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1901 shows him as Thomas H. Marriage in 1902 shows him as Thomas Herbert
Was there a fathers name on his marriage cert?
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Hi Carole W
thankyou i'm sorry i didn't include the H im a bit rusty on using these message boards [haven't used them in years} but yes his name is Thomas Herbert
kind regards
meg
ps i am using family search and find my past
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1891 RG11 Piece 3969 Folio 46 page 16
Elizabeth Leppington 72 living on own means
Mary Croker 43 married, daughter farm bailiff's wife Snainton
Thomas Metcalf 11 boarder born Snainton, Y
Annie Metcalf 8 boarder Brompton, Y
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Baptisms
Tom Herbert Metcalf
24-1-1879 Brompton by Sawdon
mother Jane
Ann Elizabeth Metcalf
28-5-1883 Snainton
mother Jane
Births
Tom Herbert Metcalf
Dec 1878 Scarborough
no mmn
Ann Elizabeth Metcalf
Jun 1883 Scarborough
no mmn
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On the marriage his father is Thomas Brown, independent man. Annie Metcalfe is a witness.
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His death registration has his name as Tom H Metcalfe the same as his birth reg and baptism so I would be using that name in your family tree with Thomas as an alternative/suffix.
Death Age - 88
Birth about 1879
Registration Date April 1967
Registration District - Buckrose Yorkshire East Riding
Vol 2a Page 40
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Wondering if this is Jane in 1881, given the interestingly named grandchild. Not sure where Thomas is
John Metcalf 58 - farmer of 80 acres
Jane Metcalf 58
Jane Metcalf 25 - unmarried
John Metcalf 27
J.R. Brown Metcalf 5 - grandson
Annie Dowsland 17
William Stephinson 17
Christopher Lyons 19
RG11; 4807; 54; 8;
The grandson is John RIchard Brown Metcalf - again no mmn on the birth registration
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Crisane thankyou so very much your help is much appreciated
Comberton thankyou so very much your help is much appreciated ive spent hrs today getting no where with this man
kind regards to you both Meg
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Thomas Herbert Metcalf is witness to John Richard Brown Metcalf's marriage in 1899. John does not name a father
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hi Mabel
thankyou for the information it is much appreciated
kind regards Meg
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Comberton
Hi please can you tell me where you found the extra information of Thomas Brown being an independant man and Annie Metcalfe as a witness ? on the print out i had of his marriage it names his father as Thomas Brown but no other information. i'm using find my past site and it was in yorkshire marriages.
Crisane
Hi please can you tell me where you found his death ? the information i have is the same as in 2D 800 but it says Thomas P Metcalfe England and Wales deaths on find my past .i take your point on board that all my notes match name wise for it is very valid in the intrests of accuracy .
thanks once again to you both for taking the time to help me with this it is appreciated.
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When you bring up the transcription for the marriage you can click on the right and see the entry in the register and download to keep it. Same with the marriage of John Richard Brown Metcalfe.
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Hi
I found his death on ancestry but you can also see it on FreeBMD.
You can search for deaths which are unknown by putting the birth year in the
Death age/DoB box which is above the date range boxes.
In the case of Tom/Thomas death if looking on FreeBMD only I would have either used wild cards because of the alternative name usage eg T*om* and also enter the start age as the last record you have him on. Or used the variants Tom and Thomas in separate searches. There is also the alternative of Metcalf for the surname. They don't make it easy do they? :D
You say "the information i have is the same as in 2D 800 " are these reference numbers for vol and Page . If so they are not your Tom H
Just taken a look at the Thomas P vol 2d 800 and this death was in 1961 York reg dist and the bloke was only 53 years old.
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There is a probate which could match the death.
METCALFE Thomas Herbert of York Cottage, Wetwang, Driffield, died 19th June 1967 at East Riding General Hospital, Driffield. Probate to Violet Wilson married woman.
Violetta Metcalfe b 1902 Pickering mmn Featherstone
Violet Metcalfe married Fred Wilson 1922 Driffield
Death
Clara Metcalfe
aged 79
1959 Buckrose
Thomas and Clara are in Driffield on the 1939 Register.
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Crisane
i must apologise for giving you wrong info and wasting your time i can only say in my excitment at all the messages i slipped up badly.i really do appreciate your help
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Cumberton
Hi yes that is him and Clara too thankyou and i owe you an explantion too regarding where you found the exta info i in my stupidity had only looked at the transcription and not the image .
now i just need to sort out who Clara is or rather who her father was he's named as George on her marriage but ive drawn a blank on confirmation as in 1881 she's listed as a grandaughter of Thomas Featherstone in 1891 shes a visitor with people i cant connect and in 1901 shes a grandaughter of George.
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1891 Clara is visitor of Elizabeth nee Featherstone, daughter of George and Hannah so her aunt, I think.
Marriage
1890 Helmsley
John William Collien (as transcribed)
Elizabeth Featherstone
Elizabeth is on 1871 census as granddaughter of Thomas and daughter of George and Hannah. Mmn is Agar as with others. George and Hannah married 1858. 11 children found so far.
The birth registration for Clara seems to be March 1880 Helmsley no mmn, I wonder if she was the daughter of Elizabeth or Frances Ann.
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Comberton
hello thankyou i too was thinking clara belonged to one of the girls
in 1861 George had 2 daughters Frances age 1 and Elizabeth 3 weeks (no William ?)
in 1871 George had son William age 12 daughter Frances age 11 Elizabeth age 10 Thomas age 8 John A age 6 Sally age 3 and Jane A age 1
in 1881 there is William age 22 Frances age 21 Sally age 13 Violette age 4 and Joseph Robert age 3
so 9 children ?
i ruled out John and Joseph as being Claras father in 1891 both single and John for not being old enough.
so possibly Frances is mum .
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The two missing Featherstone children are
Mary Hannah Dec 1871 Helmsley and Margaret Sept 1874 Helmsley
Deaths
Margaret Jun 1877 and Mary Hannah Jun 1877 Helmsley
Consecutive page numbers on the registrations.
The burials were only 6 days apart, at Kirkbymoorside, images on FindMyPast.
Mary Hannah has age 4 but should have been 5 but losing two children so close together, it is understandable a mistake was made. Frances Ann married George Nixon 1882, this image in on FindMyPast under Frances Ana in Kirkdale.
Looks like Elizabeth could be a servant in Helmsley in 1881 for Thomas Hesp.
If you don't already use it you can use the GRO site to search for children using mmn, it is free but you have to register.
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Hello Cumberston
thankyou for your help how sad for Thomas & Hannah
i am registered on the GRO site but never even thought about searching in there except for specific certificates
thanks once again Meg
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Using the GRO site you can also get ages on deaths and find mmn on births if unknown.
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Thankyou i will have a look now it would be a help if they weren't all called the same name like joseph and didnt swap farms . between census years
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Comberton
please can you tell me where to find the baptisms for Tom Hertbert and Ann Elizabeth .
i found in the 1881 census Elizabeth Leppington still in the High street
Thomas Leppington age 81
Elizabeth Leppington age 60
T Erbert Brown age 2 how he became a Metcalf ive no idea
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He was born a Metcalf, as the GRO registration shows. Jane presumably had a long term relationship with a Mr Brown, given John Richard also carries the Brown name
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The 1881 census is a good find, I wonder who Thomas Brown, independent man was.
For the baptisms
Tom Herbert Metcalf 1879 Brompton by Sawdon
Ann Elizabeth Metcalf 1883 Snainton
Choose Parish baptisms, just the name and year should be enough. Images available.
Annie Elizabeth is still with Elizabeth Leppington in 1901.
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A few doors down from the Leppingtons is a Thomas Brown, farmer, plus his wife and two children. He's a similar age to Jane and his older child is the same age as Thomas Metcalf. He married in Q2 of 1878 so could have been moving from one relationship to the next as Jane got pregnant?
Interestingly his wife is called Annie Elizabeth!
I'm not sure how the Leppingtons are connected, but they seem to take in a number of nieces and nephews (often apparently born outside of marriage) over the years
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Mabel
hi thankyou
yes id found Annie with Elizabeth in 1901 i have all the census returns for Elizabeth Leppington bar the 1861 .i must have missed Thomas Brown being a few doors down i did look at all images .i did find a Leonard Brown age 26 a shepherd with wife Anne 19 and a son J.Robert brown age 1 living in the High street also have spotted a thomas Brown grocer in the 1890 Bulmers directory for Brompton which i gather is a quarter of a mile away. A grocer could be independant ??
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Hi
please can anyone take a look at the following baptism
1885 August 2nd For Henrietta Brown Number 205 in the register of Snainton and tell me what father Thomas' occupation is
thanks in advance Meg
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Gentleman
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Hi Comberton thankyou
thats what i thought it said but wanted another opinion so thankyou
so a farmer of 16 acres classes himself as a Gentleman .
i have him in the 1881 census in snainton high street number 123(thanks to Mabel) as a farmer 3 doors from my find of T Erbert Brown .who im hoping is Tom Herbert Metcalf of 1878 .