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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: AngieToton on Monday 12 April 21 19:02 BST (UK)
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Hi
I'm struggling to find a Marriage between Benjamin Perry born 1849 in High Green & Mortomley, Yorkshire and a Harriet ?? born 1856 in York. Any help would be much appreciated.
This is what I've got so far:
On the 1891 census he was 42, a Coal Miner and living in High Green & Mortomley, Yorkshire as a Boarder with Harriet ( 35 ) Head, 3 sons Thomas ( 17 ) a Coal Miner : possibly Harriet's son from another marriage as there's a big age difference, Harry ( 6 ) a Scholar, Arthur ( 4 ) a Scholar + 3 nephews Chapman ( 15 ) a Coal Miner, William ( 9 ) a Scholar and Ernest ( 7 ) a Scholar. The nephew's were living with them as their father James Perry ( 1851 ) was in the Wortley Union Workhouse and their mother Jane Ann Chapman ( 1852 ) there's no record.
On the 1901 census he was living 52, a Green Grocer and living in High Green & Mortomley, Yorkshire with his wife Harriet ( 45 ) , 2 sons Harry ( 16 ) a Pony Driver Pit, Arthur ( 14 ) Apprentice ? and 3 nephews Geo Chapman ( 26 ) a Coal ? , William ( 19 ) ? Coal Pit and Ernest ( 16 ) a Pony Driver. The nephew's were living with them as their father James Perry ( 1851 ) was in the Wortley Union Workhouse on the 1891 census and died in 1892 and their mother Jane Ann Chapman ( 1852 ) there's no record on the 1891 census.
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Maiden name is left blank on Arthur Perry's birth certificate...
PERRY, ARTHUR -
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in WORTLEY Volume 09C Page 281
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Accidental repost.
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Baptisms for the boys on the same day
22nd April 1887
Mortomley St Saviour, High Green
Harry born 13th December 1884
Arthur born 6th April 1887
Only mother Harriett named
abode Mortomley
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Baptisms for the boys on the same day
22nd April 1887
Mortomley St Saviour, High Green
Harry born 13th December 1884
Arthur born 6th April 1887
Only mother Harriett named
abode Mortomley
Perhaps Benjamin and Harriet were not married? Would explain the baptism and the birth certificate.
Queenie :)
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1881 is interesting. IN Worsborough bridge
Joseph Perry 35 - b sheffield. Married
Harriet Perry 25 - b Sheffield. Wife
Thomas Batty 7 - son b Barnsley
George Perry 1 - son b Barnsley
Mary Ann Passmor 13 - servant
E. Pickersgill 20 - servant
There's every possibility Joseph is Ben and James' brother
Then there's the probate register for the death of Harriet Perry of High Green in 1905. described as wife of Joseph, probate to Benjamin Perry, greengrocer
Harriet Hetty Passmore marries a John Batty in 1873, then as Harriet Batty marries Joseph in Barnsley in 1879
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PERRY, HARRY
mmn PASSMORE
Q4 1884 ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE Volume 08D Page 484
By 1891 Joseph appears to be back with his mother and says he's single
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On Joseph and Harriet's marriage record it states Joseph's father is also called Joseph.
However, this may be an error on the part of the curate as on the 1871 census there is this family in High Green & Mortomley:
George Perry 60 Head
Jane Perry 55 Wife
Joseph Perry 24 Son
Benjamin Perry 22 Son
James Perry 20 Son
Queenie :)
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Something definitely happened
George Perry from 1881 is living as adopted son with another family on 1891.
1885 sees the birth of Ann Eliza Perry, mmn Passmore. She dies in infancy, but there's a baptism with mother Harriet, widow
It looks like Joseph may have lived locally and remarried in 1906, dying in 1935
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Thanks all : this is definitely a strange one but think I've solved it with your help.
Firstly, how did you find the info on Arthur Perry's birth certificate, Harriett's name at the Baptism & Joseph & Harriet''s Marriage record, I'm on Ancestry & looked on the Family Search website but can't find that sort of info out ? perhaps I'm not looking in the right place.
So I think it looks like this now with your help, so it's epic :)
On the 1851 Census George Perry ( 1811 the father ) & Jane ( Fisher mother ) there is a George Perry listed aged 4 but on the 1861 Census & all those afterwards it says Joseph aged 14 so I'm assuming that this is the same person & something went wrong when writing the census.
From your info Harriett married John Batty & had Thomas, this would explain the ages differences, then became a widow.
It looks like she then married Joseph Perry & had George Perry then on the 1891 census Harriet is Head of the household with Benjamin down as a lodger. Then on the 1901 Census is shows them as husband & wife. The probate I think proves they weren't married but what a set up.
George in 1881 was living as an adopted son to Charles & Eliza Wetherall : Eliza was a Perry and I think would make her his Aunt
Thanks so much for your help
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Thanks all : this is definitely a strange one but think I've solved it with your help.
Firstly, how did you find the info on Arthur Perry's birth certificate, Harriett's name at the Baptism & Joseph & Harriet''s Marriage record, I'm on Ancestry & looked on the Family Search website but can't find that sort of info out ? perhaps I'm not looking in the right place.
I found Arthur Perry's birth certificate on the GRO:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
You have to create an account to view the free indexes.
Arthur & Harry's baptism record is on FindMyPast.
Joseph Perry & Harriet Batty's marriage record is on Ancestry but they have mistranscribed it as 'Harnet Batty' instead of Harriet Batty. Marriage date = 1 Dec 1879.
Hope this helps!
Queenie :)
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Brill , thanks
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To complete the story - some more of Harriet's children (registered with mmn Passmore)
Florence Batty
B Q1 1876 Barnsley
D Q2 1876 Barnsley
Ernest Batty
B Q4 1877 Barnsley
D Q1 1878 Barnsley
Lewis Perry
B Q4 1881 Barnsley
D Q1 1884 Barnsley
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Ooo more children : I've logged onto the GRO and seen the record but where can I see his actual birth certificate, is that on FindMyPast, the one you pay for ?
Could I be cheeky ( promise it's my last query ) : On my first post I said that on the 1891 census there were 3 nephew's living with George & Jane Perry : George Chapman, William & Ernest - I found their father James in the Wortley Union Workhouse but can't find anything about their mother Jane Ann Chapman born 1852 ?? I can't find her on any other census or her death, I assume she had died if they were living with their Aunt & Uncle ?? I
Thanks
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Ooo more children : I've logged onto the GRO and seen the record but where can I see his actual birth certificate, is that on FindMyPast, the one you pay for ?
Could I be cheeky ( promise it's my last query ) : On my first post I said that on the 1891 census there were 3 nephew's living with George & Jane Perry : George Chapman, William & Ernest - I found their father James in the Wortley Union Workhouse but can't find anything about their mother Jane Ann Chapman born 1852 ?? I can't find her on any other census or her death, I assume she had died if they were living with their Aunt & Uncle ?? I
Thanks
I'm afraid the only way to see the contents of the birth certificate is to order it from the GRO - a .pdf is £7 and takes about a week to arrive for download. This is the case for all birth and death certificates, unfortunately. Only baptisms and burials can be viewed on subscription sites.
I had a look for Jane but I couldn't find her. This is one mysterious family!
From what I can see on the GRO index, Jane & James had their last child, Ernest, in 1885. In 1891 he is in the Wortley Workhouse. However, he lists himself as married so Jane was still alive in 1891. In the 1861 census, Jane is living in Tankersley (Wortley) with her parents, George & Frances Chapman. In 1871, she is working as a domestic servant and in 1881 she is living with her husband James and her children George & Edith in Sharlston, Wakefield. She has another daughter, Clara, who was residing with her grandparents at the time of the 1881 census.
After this the trail goes cold. There are a few possibilities: she died in Wortley and I can't find her, she moved away and died there or she got remarried after James' death. It might seem strange to leave your children and start again but I have seen it happen.
Queenie :)
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That's great, thanks - I surely do have an interesting family.
Now got to knuckle down and enter all the info on the family tree.
Thanks again for all your help.
Angela