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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Sligo => Topic started by: lmgnz on Saturday 17 April 21 06:59 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have an interest in the Unkles families of Sligo, though I am only related by the marriage of my gt grandaunt Catherine Clarke who married Robert Unkles of Toberawnaun in 1878. As far as I know their only son John, though married in 1927, did not have any family.
Among my gt uncles photos are some taken in the late 1920s of Isabella Harte and family. Isabella married Thomas Harte in 1920 and was the daughter of Robert Unkles of Masreagh. Robert's 1879 marriage record (spouse Mary Shannon) shows his father was Young Unkles. Robert died 1917 but his wife Mary is I assume the "Mrs Uncles" in some of the photos. Also in the photos is a Molly Unkles who may have been a sister of Isabella. This is what I am trying to work out.
So I would like to know if anyone is researching this family, but I also would be interested in comparing notes with anyone researching any Unkles of Sligo.
Cheers
Linda
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To update on possible Molly Unkles candidates. Maria Unkles daughter of Robert Unkles of Masreagh, died in 1919, so is not the Molly Unkles in the photos with Isabella Unkles and her children born after 1920.
I also have a portrait photo of Molly signed by her in 1940. If the attachment works that photo is on the right ans Molly is also shown in the middle with Bob Livingston and dog Gretchen. Photo taken in Maine
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Given that I have just discovered that Maria Unkles died in 1919, I am now considering the various Mary Elizabeth Unkles as Molly
Not with the Masreagh family in 1901 was daughter Mary Elizabeth born 11 Aug 1887. So may have died before 1901.
Another was Mary Elizabeth of Gerrib Beg, born Co May c1887, daughter of Stewart Unkles. (Stewart Unkles was a brother of Robert Unkles who married Catherine Clarke).
Another was Mary Elizabeth was born 4 Apr 1890 at Dunmoran, dau of William Unkles and Mary Scott. This Mary was a cousin of Isabella as their grandfather was also Young Unkles of Dunmoran.
Cheers
Linda
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church records
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie
Roberts and Catherine marriage under surname UNCLES also birth of John 1879
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I also have a portrait photo of Molly signed by her in 1940. If the attachment works that photo is on the right ans Molly is also shown in the middle with Bob Livingston and dog Gretchen. Photo taken in Maine
Have you tried searching for her in U.S. records yet? if photo dated 1940 perhaps start with 1940 and 1930 census.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/
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Thank you Rathmore
It is good to be reminded to check Uncles as well as Unkles. Irishgenealogy does not seem to be consistent with showing results of both versions of the spelling when you search one. Or at least I have had to search Uncles separately on a couple of occasions when Unkles did not bring up the result I knew should be there.
Hi Aghadowey,
Good point. I usually do my searches from within my Ancestry tree, so up to now I did not have any potential Molly Unkles to use to search the US census. But now I have the Mary Elizabeth daughter of Stewart Unkles. I have contacted a tree owner who had her in their tree, but could not confirm if she was Molly. This Mary Elizabeth died in Wales, I think in the 60s. But anyway I can use her.
Cheers
Linda
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RE Mary E Uncles in the USA in 1940, there was only one, born Indiana wife of a John Uncles also born Indiana.
But using Mary Elizabeth daughter of Stewart does actually narrow down my choices again, as that Mary died 1935 in Cardiff according to to other trees in Ancestry.
So I think I am left with the Dunmoran Unkles family. The Mary Elizabeth in that family was a cousin of Isabella Harte so she seems to be the best fit. Unless the Mary Elizabeth in Isabella's family was still alive in 1901 but living elsewhere. However if so she is not on the 1901 census.
The closest is a Mary Ellen Unkles aged 25 in 1911, born Sligo, living in Clones Monaghan. I haven't checked her out as yet.
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Molly can also be a nickname for Margaret- any of those in the family to investigate?
If 'Molly' was born in the U.K./Ireland and was visiting relatives in Maine in 1940s or so then she should appear in a passenger manifest going to U.S., or perhaps via Canada.
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Yes there was a Margaret in the Masreagh family. Margaret Anne Unkles married a James Walker in 1905 and another Margaret Uncles was a witness. This would not be the Margaret Unkles of Carrigans, Sligo (dau of Thomas) who married Charles Walker in 1903. Possibly is the cousin Margaret Unkles, dau of William, born Dunmoran in 1876.
It is useful to discover that Masreagh Margaret married James Walker as there is a Walker family photo on the same page and looks to be from about the same date as the Hartes and Masreagh Unkles photos. The Walker mother looks to be in her 40s or older and the father in his 60s maybe. I had not yet found a family link for the Walker family. I am so grateful to gt Uncle Bob Livingston for labelling his photos!
By the way the disappearance of May Elizabeth from the Masreagh Unkles family is explained by the appearance of a Lizzie Kate Unkles of the right age in the 1901 census. They were not twins as there is only one birth registration. Lizzie died 1902 of typhoid.
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Just in case someone from one of these Unkles families sees these posts one day I will also upload the page with the Harte and Walker families.
The Walker family is middle left. Bob Livingston is between Isabella Harte and Molly Unkles in the second of the lower row of photos, to the right of the Skreen church yard. Bob is also top right with the Harte family.
Bob's immigration record of 1928 to the USA said he was living in Sligo before he left Ireland. So I expect these photos were taken in the year/s before 1928. The Livingstons were living Londonderry by 1914 but I do not know exactly when Bob left to work in Sligo. My guess is after 1924.
Image too large and I don't have skills to rescale so I have taken a screen shot. Hope it works
Cheers
Now it is saying 500Kb is too large so I give up.
Linda
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One last attempt. I sent the last scanned photo as an email, then pulled it back to the album collection of images and now it should be small enough. ?3rd time lucky
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Hi
My father had a cousin called Mollie Unkles who lived in Dromard Co Sligo. Her married name was Dorran and she died recently ( 1-2 years ago)
Her mother was, I think, a Johnston though I'm unsure whether she was Margaret or Sarah (Sally).
Not sure if this is who you were looking for,
Best Wishes,
Helen Johnston
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Hi
My father had a cousin called Mollie Unkles who lived in Dromard Co Sligo. Her married name was Dorran and she died recently ( 1-2 years ago)
Her mother was, I think, a Johnston though I'm unsure whether she was Margaret or Sarah (Sally).
Not sure if this is who you were looking for,
Best Wishes,
Helen Johnston
According to the Sligo Champion Jan 14 2020 this Mollie was Mary Elizabeth Dorran nee Unkles.
There was a marriage of a Margaret Jane Johnston and John Oswald Unkles in 1921
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09220/5335547.pdf
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Thank you Helen and Sinan
John Oswald Unkles (b1898) was a younger brother of Isabella Unkles who married Thomas Harte. So his daughters would not be the right generation but one could have been named after the Molly whose photo I have.
I have just collected some of his family from a Sherlock tree as his daughter Patricia Margaret Unkles born 1929 married a James Sherlock in 1953. She died 2014 so is not Mary Elizabeth.
As John Oswald Unkles married in 1921 his children were mostly born after 1922 and so the Sherlock trees may not have all the children and Mary Elizabeth could be one. How old she was she when she died? At the moment the Sherlock trees only have 2 siblings for Patricia, Avery b 1923 and Robert b 1925.
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Thanks for your reply,
Actually I know of some of the Sherlock family in Sligo who are friends of my aunt and my uncle also married a Harte so I may be able to work out some of the connections back when I am next in Sligo. Several of these families intermarried in successive generations.
Kind Regards,
Helen Johnston
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Actually I am wondering if in fact there are two Molly Unkles in the photos. The one in the pre 1928 photos with Isabella Harte and Bob Livingston would be the one who was the same generation as Bob (b1891).
However the Molly Unkles who was in the USA in the 1940s could possibly be the next generation.
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There was a Mary Elizabeth Unkles born 1922 in Sligo (Dromore West) but that record is still outside the viewable online range. As is the marriage of Mary Elizabeth Uncles to Thomas Henry Dorran in 1947.
So this Molly could be the same Molly as the 1940 photos, and also the cousin of Helen's father.
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John Oswald Unkles obit in 1960 names four children, those you have already named and Molly. The son appears to be married by than and the named daughter in law appears (typo in newspaper I think, an n where there should be a u) to be the same person named as sister in law to Mollie Dorran in 2020.
The son in laws also match the names you have mentioned, including the tree you are looking at.
I have to be careful not to name living people.
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Hi Helen
Yes these Sligo families did often have connections in previous generations so I have traced back along the families of some of the spouses of my family. My gt grandfather William Livingston was from the parish of Killoran but his mother Mary Wallace was from Easky and I have been in contact with the owner of one of the Sherlock trees about our Easky connections.
I think the James Sherlock (died 2008) who married Patricia (Patsy) Unkles was the son of Henry Sherlock who I happen to have in my tree. I just dod not have James in that family but both the Sherlock trees I looked at do have James. The hint for his tombstone that came up when I added him shows that he lived at Stonehall. I have that Sherlock line back to Henry's parents Thomas Sherlock and Elizabeth Brett. I have Wallace/Brett connections and Clarke/Brett connections.
When my parents visited Skreen in 1982 the vicar told my mother that she was probably related to most of the people buried there. My Livingston gt grandparents are buried at Skreen next to the 2x gt Clarkes. Bob Livingston returned to Sligo from the US when he retired in the 70s and both he and and his sister Mabel are also buried at Skreen.
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Thank you Sinaan for the confirmation that Molly belongs to the family of John Oswald Unkles where I have placed. My grandfather was also an Oswald (Livington).
I have also contacted a Dorran tree owner to see if she can confirm the 1940 photos are the same Molly.
I hope the two siblings I named were deceased, as otherwise I would expect not to be able to see their names in the trees I viewed. However a paternal aunt has just turned 98 so I know not to assume someone in their late 90s is no longer living.