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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: pritchardgeo on Sunday 18 April 21 09:54 BST (UK)
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i have recently found a baptism record within the i.g.i records. not sure if i can post the screen shot.
the record is Org/Ark:/61903/2:1:932n-KM7
How reliable would this record be as i have not found it on F.M.P or anywhere else.
where would the source of the record have come from ?.
would it be possible to find the parents please.
lots of questions !. thanks.Brian
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A name and date would be of help, so that others can see the entry.
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If this is what you mean, it's a submitted record. "No source information is available"
https://us.v-cdn.net/6032564/uploads/V0ULQI8OUR29/t-p-ruabon.png
https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/83875/question-about-an-i-g-i-record
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IGI is not reliable only to use as a clue you have place/date from that so you need to now look at the real parish records to see if it is there
When I first began FH my best friend who taught me how to research, is LDS she told me as part of their religion they are encouraged 'as good morons and to become better morons' to research their FH and find and collect date, names, places from church yard, FH records etc etc and send details in , in batches of 200 to the temple, as nothing is checked/verified 'some' send in spurious information, it is just added to their 'collections'
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Think you meant "good mormons"?! ;D ;D
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Think you meant "good mormons"?! ;D ;D
Yes I did 8)
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FreeREG has Ruabon Parish Records.
No Thomas Pritchard/Pritchards bapt c 1778 +/- 5 years
What else can you tell us about him?When/where/who did he marry?
Does he appear on any Census?
Trish :)
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thank you for the replies. i thought the records may have come from a microfiche or something like.
i cannot find that record anywhere else, by that i mean Family search itself. F.M.P or Ancestry so do wonder about its reliability let alone finding parents which i assume would be there if correct parish records. would they be anywhere else. thanks.Brian
the record is for Thomas Pritchard b 1778 Ruabon as Denbigh, but perhaps should say Denbighshire.
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sorry Trish i think he married Ann Jones in Oswestry in 1804.
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I believe that I have added this to other threads related to LDS submitted records.
I used to visit the fairly local LDS centre in order to access parish registers. One day whilst I was there a lady was being helped to upload her family history - "But I'm not absolutely sure that I've got the right wife" - answer "It doesn't matter". :-X
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that says a lot Bumble !!
thanks.
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I believe that I have added this to other threads related to LDS submitted records.
I used to visit the fairly local LDS centre in order to access parish registers. One day whilst I was there a lady was being helped to upload her family history - "But I'm not absolutely sure that I've got the right wife" - answer "It doesn't matter". :-X
I have also heard similar comments when I used to visit an LDS centre. Now I treat LDS trees the same as those on Ancetry and similar sites.
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If you have access to FindMyPast check Thomas Richard, bap 24 Sep 1777, place Chirk.
Looking at the original record, how do you read the Surname?
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Check out a marriage for Peter Prichard and Elizabeth, Chirk, 1759
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I agree that it looks like Prichard
Was it that Thos Pritchard that was buried at Chirk 25 Jan 1795 :-\
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"Submitted records" were readily identified when I started using the IGI. Responses made it easy to recognise the type of record you were dealing with. Then came a major change to FamilySearch and it became necessary to check for type of record. Needed to be very vigilant.
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/International_Genealogical_Index_(IGI)_-_FamilySearch_Historical_Records#What_is_in_This_Collection.3F
Rosie99 - (a) glad you see it as Prichard - that's how I read it (b) yet to check 1795 death as part of eliminating this Thos.
regards
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thanks for looking all. my direct ancestor George Pritchard was the last born 1814 Chirk. the surname could always be Pritchard or Prichard though. not sure what is meant by Peter Prichard 1759 was he the father of a Thomas ?.
its great stuff thank you all. Brian
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I think George Pritchard has been discussed a few times before:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=743061.0 (as a starter)
I ( and Rosie) seem to have helped with this family many times
Gadget
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thanks for looking all. my direct ancestor George Pritchard was the last born 1814 Chirk. the surname could always be Pritchard or Prichard though. not sure what is meant by Peter Prichard 1759 was he the father of a Thomas ?.
its great stuff thank you all. Brian
Wasn't the original query re. a submitted record on the IGI about a "Thomas Pritchard, 1778, Ruabon?". Just trying to find a possible match - this time the "real thing".
Thomas Richard (as transcribed), Chirk (have you checked proximity Chirk/Ruabon?), 24 Sep 1777, parents Pater (as transcribed) and Elizabeth. A check of the original shows the surname to be Prichard not Richard - hence a possibility for the fabricated "Thomas Prichard, 1778, Ruabon". There's a 1759 marriage, Chirk, of a Peter Prichard and Elizabeth.
These are just lines for you to follow - as much to remove them from the frame as identify them as those you are looking for.
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thank you Hanes. yes Chirk and Ruabon are very close villages.
have never seen the transcription as Thomas Richard wonder if it could be Patrynomics too ?.will check this out. so yes that could be the one,not sure.
and yes Gadget you and Rosie have helped a great deal in the past to indentify the probable marriage for Thomas to Ann IN 1804 Oswestry. but this is about the possible birth and location of where Thomas was born. therefore a different matter. i did look at a possible record of a Thomas Pritchard being born in Oswestry in 1782. to Thomas and mary. but i do have quite a few dna matches in the Ruabon area one as Elizabeth born 1780 Ruabon. so i am still looking to tie this down.
also one for Thomas Richards 1778 son of Thomas and Elizabeth/ Ruabon
thank you all.Brian
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The best that I can find is in Overton, Flintshire.
As you will know, Overton is not far from Ruabon, Chirk, etc. .
Overton, Flintshire
3 July 1779 Thomas son of Thomas and Elizabeth Pritchard
It seems familiar - in the Overton parish records and the BTs
Gadget
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Overton, Flintshire
29 Jan 1778 Thomas Pritchard to Elizabeth Griffiths (PS - both OTP)
I'm sure I've looked at this before
Gadget
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i had looked at this too. but no matches there at all. but i know that doesn't mean it isnt. the one. I just cant pin him down. thanks for looking.Brian
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Looking at the IGI link, I would think it was produced by someone who found a Thomas Pri*chard on a census, with an age that corresponded with a birth circa 1778 and recorded as b. Ruabon.
I think we looked at the Chirk one that HT referred to and the Gresford one a good while ago. The Chirk one has a twin named Edward.
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yes the one in Ruabon as Richard looks the best fit,if a bit early. going back to Gresford. i do know i have a 20cms 5th to 8th cousins maybe with a William Pritchard b 1797 in Gresford.he had a daughter Caroline b 1829 to William and Harriot .both of Gresford. It looks like William 1797 father was also William he would have been b about 1777 ish and there is a William b Gresford about 1773 also a Thomas Pritchard b about 1777 Gresford- long shot but i wonder if they were cousins or closer. Its so difficult without evidence isnt it. Thanks Brian
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to Hanes. yes i have looked at the 1777 in Chirk. its very unclear isn't it. wonder if this his him.
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Just to say that that was the one that I was referring to in my previous reply. It's definitely Pritchard - a vey large P at the beginning.
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if indeed that is Pritchard it could indeed be the right one, that would make him 27 when he got married. and 28 when the first Thomas was born and 37 when George was born in 1814. its possible. wonder if it was a second marriage. his parents then Pater Peter ? and Elizabeth. cant see a marrige though. thanks again.Brian
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If his first sons were Thomas and George, did he have any named Peter? If not, I'd be inclined to say it was not him. Maybe a bit more checking :-\
I'm still more inclined to follow the Overton 1779 baptism. These parents were most likely to be:
Overton 29 Jan 1778 Thomas Pritchard to Elizabeth Griffiths (PS - both OTP)
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Although I'm not convinced that Peter and Elizabeth are the parents, this is what I have:
From the Chirk registers from Clwyd FHS
Chirk
17 May 1759 Peter Prichard (weaver) m Elizabeth Jones
Children(Peter given as of Halton, a weaver on some entries):
1762 John
1764 Peter
1767 Elizabeth
1769 Sarah
1772 Edward
1777 Thomas
Gadget
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Chirk baptisms
Nov 13 1731 Peter, illegitimate son of Margaret Pritchard (a servant)
Chirk Burials
Peter Pritchard was buried in Chirk on 26 May 1807
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Re the Overton baptism of 1779 - this Thomas looks as if he died
Overton burials
24 Nov 1780 Thomas son of Thomas Pritchard
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thank you for looking Gadget. i did look at thomas 1779 overton son of thomas and elizabeth, but didnt know he dies so early. and yes peter pritchard also d 1807 rules him out too. i have a Thomas Pritchard b 1782 in Oswestry and leaning towards him now. as you know its very near the border. what do you think please. thanks again.brian
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The 1782 Oswestry family are worth investigating.They wee living in Willow Street at the time of the baptism.
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thank you Gadget. how would i get more information on the 1782 Thomas Please. would they exist?
i have not given up on Peter but this may look more likely. i have always thought that with a gap between Thomas Pritchard 1808 and George 1814 from earlier threads, if he was in the Peninsular war roughly 1807.to 1814. the records seem to be scant from these earlier periods. p.s i can see loads of Cash dna matches, they all seem to be in and around. thanks.Brian
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March 2 1774 Thomas Prichard m Mary Evans (widow)
Oswestry Bsptisms with these parents' names
1774 David
1776 Elizabeth
1782 Thomas
I don't see a definite burial -. There are some but not in Oswestry itself - Trefonen, etc.
There were quite a number of Cash in the area, mainly in the St Martins/Chirk (Balck Park/Halton area). My 3 x great grandmother was a Cash.
Gadget
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Hi Brian
Is your tree the g ap pritchard, etc...... on Ancestry?
If so, I see you've taken the Thomas and Mary couple as the line so far. How certain are you that the Johannes Pritchard b. 1620 is the correct line?
Gadget
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yes it is Gadget. everything from before including the Thomas we are talking about is guess,based on an assortment of d.n.a matches. My matches include many from Caernarfonshire and around Herefordshire. some are in Alberbury too. That is why i am trying to fix the Thomas in question. you will see Elizabeth Pritchard 1710 and she links with a dna match of Speake bbut i do not match with the Speake tree. also Obediah and Thomas in the early 1600s in Colwall were dna matches. i am afraid its all assumptions and guesses though. its a great puzzle. thanks Brian
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Hi, I'm a year or so late, but the name of Pritchard caught my eye. I'm just curious as to why you don't appear to consider the patronymic naming patterns in your research? I've always had to consider it when researching anyone born earlier than say, 1770-1780.
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hi. not 100% certain on them, but i have recently found a recent significant dna match and that has an Elizabeth Pritchard 1710 in Whittington, which is very near Oswestry. also i have checked that a known match to Georges brother Thomas also has a good match. looking at Patrynomics. i did not find anything though. thanks.Brian
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Thanks for replying, Brian. Interesting. 👍
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your welcome. always open to advice and suggestions.thanks.