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Title: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: kath davis on Wednesday 21 April 21 21:13 BST (UK)
I am posting here, as I think the military connection is the clue towards the information.
Joseph Lambert was born in West Bromwich 1780, married Mary and had 5 children 1810 to 1828.  Two of the children were baptised in Roman Catholic Churches, which gave Mary’s maiden name as Dillan/Dillon.  I would like to know more about Mary, birth, parents, marriage.  1841 census gives her birth as Scotland, age 45.  Their second child was baptised in Scotland, the other 4 were Baptised in Birmingham, but all at different Churches.  The best/only birth match I can find is Rerrick, near Kirkcudbright (Mary Dalling 1796).
Joseph was in the 7th Dragoon Guards.  They seemed to travel between Ireland, Manchester, Birmingham and Edinburgh during his years, 1800 - 1821.  Would someone like to try and piece together the jigsaw?
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: FROGSMILE on Friday 23 April 21 11:07 BST (UK)
Hello Kath,
Just as a starter, all those locations that you mention had “cavalry barracks” during the period that interests you:
Ireland (Dundalk Barracks)
Manchester (Hulme Barracks)
Birmingham (Brook St Barracks)
Edinburgh (Piershill Barracks)
These were all stations of the 7th Dragoon Guards, as regiments moved periodically (generally after just a year at that time) for reasons of recruitment and to prevent their men from becoming overly settled in their ways.
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 23 April 21 11:37 BST (UK)
7th Dragoon Guards were in Ireland for several years before sailing back from Dublin to Liverpool in June 1809. From newspaper mentions it appears they stayed in Liverpool for a while before moving to Birmingham in May 1810.

Perhaps your Mary was the daughter of a fellow soldier?
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 23 April 21 11:40 BST (UK)
There was a Robert Dillon/Dillun in 7th Dragoon Guards. Enlisted in 1798.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO119%2F0040%2F001_021&parentid=GBM%2FWO119%2F27476
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: FROGSMILE on Friday 23 April 21 11:49 BST (UK)
7th Dragoon Guards were in Ireland for several years before sailing back from Dublin to Liverpool in June 1809. From newspaper mentions it appears they stayed in Liverpool for a while before moving to Birmingham in May 1810.

Perhaps your Mary was the daughter of a fellow soldier?

Before the Rupert Lane Cavalry Barracks was built at Everton in 1830, one or two troops of cavalry were based at nearby St Domingo House. This was at a time when cavalry regiments were sent to a region and their sub-units (Troops) dispersed to various small barracks in the surrounding area to act in support of the civil powers, e.g. in 1807 the 4th Dragoon Guards had their HQ in Brook Rd Cavalry Bks, Birmingham, 1 Troop in Hulme Bks, Manchester, 1 Troop in St Domingo House, Liverpool, 2 Troops in Nottingham, 1 Troop in Chester, 1 Troop in Warrington and 1 Troop in Coventry. This was at a time of great industrial unrest and rioting with the mounted troops acting as police.  I think that the 7th DG were probably dispersed similarly at that time.
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: kath davis on Friday 23 April 21 13:51 BST (UK)
Thank you both very much. Some answers there.  Landing in Liverpool from Ireland rules out the Rerrick birth.  I had considered about Mary being the daughter of a fellow soldier, but hadn't found anyone, this Robert fits well - if we put her birth nearer 1800 than 1796, although even this isn't impossible.  I cannot make out Robert's birth from the attached document, unless it is Birmingham, much abbreviate.  I think I am now looking for a marriage in Ireland! 

Again many thanks both for your interest and useful responses.
Kath
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 23 April 21 13:56 BST (UK)
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I cannot make out Robert's birth from the attached document

Birr, Kings County (Offaly)

Pension records suggest he died in Toronto in 1847
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: kath davis on Friday 23 April 21 19:08 BST (UK)
Many thanks for that.  I do hope this is the right person, I would love to tell my husband he is of Irish stock!  The best I can manage is a Step Great Grandfather! Still can't find a birth/baptism for Mary, which of course would be a great help. 
Kath 
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: FROGSMILE on Friday 23 April 21 22:43 BST (UK)
Many thanks for that.  I do hope this is the right person, I would love to tell my husband he is of Irish stock!  The best I can manage is a Step Great Grandfather! Still can't find a birth/baptism for Mary, which of course would be a great help. 
Kath

Birr was a military town of long standing, I wonder if his father was also a soldier.
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: kath davis on Saturday 24 April 21 09:03 BST (UK)
Yes, he probably was.  Selina, the eldest child of Joseph and Mary married a Royal Marine.  I was amazed how much information is online about his life, made a change from my standard ag labs!

Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: kath davis on Saturday 24 April 21 21:03 BST (UK)
From several Registers of 7th Dragoon Guards both Joseph Lambert and Robert Dillon we’re in the same Troop E.  There was only 2 years age difference, although Joseph lost 3 years after discharge - according to census.  Mary had a baby in 1810, so I imagine she was only about 16 yrs old.  Of course Robert could be a brother!
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: FROGSMILE on Sunday 25 April 21 00:13 BST (UK)
From several Registers of 7th Dragoon Guards both Joseph Lambert and Robert Dillon we’re in the same Troop E.  There was only 2 years age difference, although Joseph lost 3 years after discharge - according to census.  Mary had a baby in 1810, so I imagine she was only about 16 yrs old.  Of course Robert could be a brother!
I think that the sibling theory is very likely, Kath.  Perhaps Robert’s father had been in the Army too and if Mary was indeed related then she’d have been raised in barracks and well used to the life.  There was a great deal of family connectivity in the Army.
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: kath davis on Saturday 01 May 21 19:32 BST (UK)
Many thanks both of you for your help.  I am resting this at the brick wall for now - I seem to be looking for a female birth in Scotland and possibly a sibling in Ireland, neither of which I can find.  I am looking for a marriage - which I think will probably be in Ireland 1805-1810, but find nothing.  If only Mary had lived a few months longer to the 1851 census, I may have had answers.  Just one more question, it occurs to me that Mary and Joseph could have been married by a Military Pastor, or similar - do you know if this is possible and if so are there any records anywhere?
Kath
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: FROGSMILE on Friday 02 July 21 16:39 BST (UK)
Many thanks both of you for your help.  I am resting this at the brick wall for now - I seem to be looking for a female birth in Scotland and possibly a sibling in Ireland, neither of which I can find.  I am looking for a marriage - which I think will probably be in Ireland 1805-1810, but find nothing.  If only Mary had lived a few months longer to the 1851 census, I may have had answers.  Just one more question, it occurs to me that Mary and Joseph could have been married by a Military Pastor, or similar - do you know if this is possible and if so are there any records anywhere?
Kath
Yes it’s conceivable that the marriage took place under the auspices of a military ‘chaplain’ (later often called ‘padre’ because of the time spent by Wellington’s armies in Spain and Portugal). If in barracks or cantonment (India) there were records kept.  The former often survive if in Ireland and quite a number have done so in India too.  Each garrison or regimental depot usually had its own church.
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: kath davis on Saturday 03 July 21 18:58 BST (UK)
That sounds a little hopeful, since the marriage may have taken place in Ireland.  I have no idea where else to look, so will just keep trying my standard resources in the hope that something appears - so much is coming on line.  It could of course be a good excuse, as if I need one to visit Ireland again!!!
Kath
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: FROGSMILE on Thursday 08 July 21 17:19 BST (UK)
That sounds a little hopeful, since the marriage may have taken place in Ireland.  I have no idea where else to look, so will just keep trying my standard resources in the hope that something appears - so much is coming on line.  It could of course be a good excuse, as if I need one to visit Ireland again!!!
Kath

There is a Blog "Irish garrison towns" and you might find details about his station (garrison) there.
Title: Re: Joseph Lambert 7th Dragoon Guards 1800-1821
Post by: kath davis on Friday 09 July 21 17:34 BST (UK)
Thank you, that looks interesting.  I shall certainly read it, but perhaps not today!

You suggested earlier that Joseph's father might have been a soldier.  It looks as though he was.
I have found a record in the Chelsea regimental register 48th - 59th foot in Ancestry that fits with a suitable Baptism and wife.  I now know his father's name, so maybe he was a soldier as well!  Now to see if I can find him!

Kath