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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: indigo78 on Thursday 22 April 21 18:02 BST (UK)
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I'm hoping someone maybe able to help me solve the mystery of who this lady is.
I am trying to trace information on a Frances Emelie maiden name unknown who married a joseph William chitty born Petersfield Hampshire in 1862 or so it says in the census records. I have not been able to find a marriage certificate. Frances also known as Emily or Emelie in some records was born abt 1864 in Northam Devon. She and Joseph were both witnesses at my great grandmother Amy Bowden's wedding in Chertsey surrey. Frances also came from the same area as my great grandmother in Northam. I know Frances and joseph ran a pub called the coach and horses in Chertsey. What i would love to find is a birth register and maiden name for Frances and a marriage certificate. I have been trying to solve this for a good few years now but still have no idea who Frances was or if she was indeed related to my great grandmother.
Any help would be much appreciated
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1901 RG13 Piece 74 Folio 13 Page 17
Joseph Chitty 38 occ Coachman Domestic bn Petersfield, Hampshire
Emily Chitty 37 bn Northam, Devon
Amy Bowden Visitor 20 occ Housemaid Domestic bn Northam, Devon
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Wow thank you this has a lot of information for me to go on.
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Do you have a date for this newspaper article please? Also this confirms Frances was related as it states Mrs Gillard as her daughter. My great grandmother Amy Bowden went on to marry a George Gillard so it looks as if Frances Emilie chitty was my g g grandmother.
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1901 RG13 Piece 74 Folio 13 Page 17
Joseph Chitty 38 occ Coachman Domestic bn Petersfield, Hampshire
Emily Chitty 37 bn Northam, Devon
Amy Bowden Visitor 20 occ Housemaid Domestic bn Northam, Devon
Thank you Amy Bowden is my great grandmother
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Hampshire Telegraph 1st March 1929
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1911 census says married 14 years, no children so step mother or step father maybe.
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1911 census says married 14 years, no children so step mother or step father maybe.
yes it's all a little odd. As my great grandmother Amy's mother Fanny Burden was married to a Alfred Bowden who died in 1889 so i'm thinking the same Fanny Bowden (is the said Frances Emelie Chitty) who went on to marry Joseph William Chitty.
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Electoral rolls for 46 Station Road, Petersfield
1923-1928 Joseph William & Frances Emelie
1929 Joseph William
1930 & 1931 Joseph William alone at 17a Station Road
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I'm a little bit late with this, and well done Comberton for opening up the post. Is this the birth for "Amy"
BOWDEN, FANNY AMELIA BURDEN
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in BIDEFORD Volume 05B Page 492
1881 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q276-5DV9
John
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I'm a little bit late with this, and well done Comberton for opening up the post. Is this the birth for "Amy"
BOWDEN, FANNY AMELIA BURDEN
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in BIDEFORD Volume 05B Page 492
1881 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q276-5DV9
John
yes this is my great grandmother who went on to marry George Gillard
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For whatever reason, it does not look like Joseph William Chitty and Fanny/Frances Amelia/Emily Bowden, nee Burden where ever legally married, not in the UK anyway. He was still single in 1891.
Alfred Bowden married Fanny Burden Sept.1880 Bideford and in 1881 census she is shown as bc.1859 Bideford so was a few years older than she later admitted to.
As plain Fanny Burden her birth was in Sept.qtr.1858, mmn Spearman. She was indeed born Bideford although living in Northam in 1871. Her parents were Henry and Betsy.
Henry Burden married Betsey Spearman Dec.1844 Bideford.
Just to confirm all of this, in 1891 your 'Amy' - shown as Fanny E. Bowden - is living with said grandparents Henry and Betsy. Where her mother is in 1891 I have no idea - cannot find her under any of her christian names.
Fanny Burden bp.25/7/1858 Bideford, dau. of Henry and Betsy - he was a Limeburner.
Annette
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Just to confirm all of this, in 1891 your 'Amy' - shown as Fanny E. Bowden - is living with said grandparents Henry and Betsy.
I think this was already known to the OP :)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=205710.msg1049370#msg1049370
Also a very likely 1891 entry for Fanny was given In reply # 16 of this thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=823871.msg6871512#msg6871512
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For whatever reason, it does not look like Joseph William Chitty and Fanny/Frances Amelia/Emily Bowden, nee Burden where ever legally married, not in the UK anyway. He was still single in 1891.
Alfred Bowden married Fanny Burden Sept.1880 Bideford and in 1881 census she is shown as bc.1859 Bideford so was a few years older than she later admitted to.
As plain Fanny Burden her birth was in Sept.qtr.1858, mmn Spearman. She was indeed born Bideford although living in Northam in 1871. Her parents were Henry and Betsy.
Henry Burden married Betsey Spearman Dec.1844 Bideford.
Just to confirm all of this, in 1891 your 'Amy' - shown as Fanny E. Bowden - is living with said grandparents Henry and Betsy. Where her mother is in 1891 I have no idea - cannot find her under any of her christian names.
Fanny Burden bp.25/7/1858 Bideford, dau. of Henry and Betsy - he was a Limeburner.
Annette
yes this is the said family. It would seem that they never did marry but she took his name. Is it possible for this to have happened? even on the death records registered it states chitty.
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Just to confirm all of this, in 1891 your 'Amy' - shown as Fanny E. Bowden - is living with said grandparents Henry and Betsy.
I think this was already known to the OP :)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=205710.msg1049370#msg1049370
Also a very likely 1891 entry for Fanny was given In reply # 16 of this thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=823871.msg6871512#msg6871512
The frances burdon in this record is stated as being single in 1891 she would have been Bowden. Her husband Alfred died in 1889.