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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Ian Nelson on Saturday 24 April 21 11:40 BST (UK)
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I can only find 2 mentions of Gabbett Needham. Firstly, he witnessed the marriage of John Cathcart and Ann Bowles in Dublin in 1848. Secondly, the Parliamentary Papers Volume 44, ... Keeper of the Public Records in Ireland lists Gabbett Needham and Sarah Kirwan, an M.L. (Marriage Licence ?) in 1839.
I can't find any trace of the marriage or Gabbett Needham, or birth nor death.
I know that the Needhams, Kirwans and Gabbetts were Landed Gentry in Ireland with connections to the Legal profession and the Church of Ireland and the British Army.
He signed the marriage Register as Gabbett Needham but perhaps Gabbett wasn't a Christian name but a middle name, maybe from some previous marriage of a Needham to a Gabbett.
I'm wondering why he would be attending the wedding of a House Servant ( John Cathcart).
Can anybody find out more about Gabbett ... the mystery man/ woman?
slainge ! Ian
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Dublin directories 1870s show:
92 Mount Street Lower
Gabbett Needham, Carpenter
Sarah Needham , court dress and habit maker
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1862 - Gilbert Needham
https://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/977.php
There are several street directories for Gilbert at the same address
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There is a death here for Sarah Needham, a dressmaker - possibility?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06225/4781567.pdf
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Griffiths Valuation shows ‘G Needham’ in Mount Street Lower
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qjp/
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So, that is interesting.
I found the references for ‘Gabbett’ of Mount Street Lower but then those several for ‘Gilbert’ :-\
I can’t see a death for Gabbett/Gilbert.
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thanks for that ... I'll keep following up these leads. I have no ancestral connection that I know of but when you find the same 10 names intertwined throughout my ancestral cousins it adds to the mysteries. cheers, Ian
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after checking your link to libraryireland I think I may have stumbled on another of the Rev: Alexander Leeper's ( Leiper) phonetic miss-writing at speed. He was the Rector of St Auden's and Canon of the Cathedral and I've seen several Marriage Certificates where he has filled out all the details and the wedded couple have made their marks ( X ).
As the Gabbett Needham search was otherwise unfruitful I'll chase up GILBERT NEEDHAM instead.
Many thanks, Ian
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There are several trade entries though for Gabbett too.
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Church record
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-277-3-6-103
Civil record
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1848/09348/5384839.pdf
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Find my Past indexes (do not have access) shows Dublin Workhouse records 1880 and 1881
Gabbett Needham b 1816
Gabbitt Needham b 1821
There is a death for James ::) Needham 60yrs Carpenter but it is in the workhouse so no address.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06404/4839020.pdf
I’ll stop now - just intrigued with the name. ;)
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Thanks again. The 2 links you gave are to copies that I discovered years ago, through Rootschat, and if you decipher the witness names you will notice that Gabbett has a fairly definite 'G' and the other is indistinct as a 'G', more like a Y or S or J, hence the many interpretations. However, the other witness is William Gregston and the written form is indistinct also, as if written by someone who has only heard it spoken and not written.
Gabbett is still the favourite though I will check on all possible cases of Gilbert and other soundalikes, just in case.
John Cathcart is described as a House Servant and his father given as William, a Slater. Ann Bowles has a sister Catherine who marries in 1858 to a Butler, Robert Wilson, son of a farmer.
John and Ann move to Preston, Lancashire and she dies in 1850. John remarries in 1853 to Jane Dickinson and notes his father as a Gardener (deceased). He marries again at Lancaster in 1882 and says his father is a farmer.
Mistakes or fibs? Who really knows. John's son James marries in 1874 in Isle of Wight and claims his father is dead, but John is still alive, although by 1881 James claims to really be James Wilson, so perhaps his biological father was Mr.Wilson of Broughton where Jane Dickinson was a Nursery maid in 1851. The quest for the truth continues ... cheers, Ian