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Hello,
I am trying to find the town in Northumberland that Isabella (Sometimes Isabel) Young lived in with her husband John Young. Other family members (children) may include Thomas (born c.1861), William (born c.1858) and George (born c.1856). There may well be other children still living at home but I have no idea if they are or not. I say 'may include' as I do not have certified proof but the GRO index seems to show that the boys are indeed hers.
All I really need is the town that they were in as I have a death certificate (1872) for Isabella which shows a town that is not where I was expecting her to be. The certificate says her husband is John Young but his occupation changed from Blacksmith to Plate Layer but that could be that they moved for employment reasons. If the previous year census shows her in the same town as the DC then I can have confidence that the DC is correct for Isabella.
Thanks in advance
Kevin
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Too many possibilities...uncertainties here to work with.
Can you identify this YOUNG family in the 1871 census please.
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I am not sure what else I can tell you. If I could identify them in the census (which I have no access too) then I would have no need to ask!
I have given details of the suspected family group (based on unconfirmed research), her husband's name, his occupations and the only other thing I can tell you is that she should be about 54 (born c.1817) .
I am not sure how helpful it is but that is all I have for now.
Regards
Kevin
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How sure are you that Isabel* was born in 1817? That would make her 39 when son George was born in 1856 which is quite late for a first child in that era.
Was she married previously?
We’re the boys ou listed all born in Northumberland, and if so whereabouts? Was isabel* born in Northumberland?
As Wivenhoe says, there are numerous people with those names so we need to try to narrow them down if possible.
It might help if you tell us the address on the d/c and we can look for an Isabel* who fits. Was the informant a known family member? I realise she may not have died at home but even knowing the approximate area might help find her in 1871.
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Do you know where the family is in 1861? The only John YOUNG (blacksmith) that I can see in Northumberland is with wife Mary and daughters Robina and Mary Ann at Scremerston, so I presume this is the wrong family. How do you know he was a blacksmith, is it from the children's baptisms?
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Hello,
I am sorry I just realised I have given the wrong last name and husband! It is ROWELL, not YOUNG. It is quite a tangled web going on as both mother and daughter were CHARLTON and married into the ROWELL family. Then Mary Ann died as MARY ANN YOUNG (In 1884).
All the family kids were born in Northumberland (Hexham area).
The DC says Prudhoe which is not where I was expecting them to be as mostly the family is from around Acomb and Wall. Her husband's name was WILLIAM ROWELL.
Sorry for the confusion.
Best regards
Kevin
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To confirm, you are looking for Isabel* Rowell in 1871? Her husband is William Rowell. Are all children’s names and years of birth correct as you originally gave them?
But now there is the addition of a daughter? Are there any more children?
The reason I am asking about children is that sometimes parents can be found with adult children in censuses.
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In 1871 they are at 2 Walkers Cottages, Wylam.
William is an Ag Lab.
The three boys are with them.
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Ok, so in 1861 they are in Warton, William is a farm hand [?].
RG9/3865 pg 9
William ROWELL 42
Isabella 43
Robert 17
Hannah 15
Jane 13
Isabella 7
George 5
William 2
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Ruskie,
I am still trying to fill in the blanks on the family group. I really have no positive confirmation yet on the family make up. I did a GRO search for children with a mother's maiden name of CHARLTON and born as ROWELL. The only girls I have in the list of 'suspects' are : ISABELL, JANE and HANNAH but I have no BC confirmation for them yet.
I am sure there are many CHARLTON and ROWELL families in the area.
Regards
Kevin
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I modified my post about the 1861 census to include the family there. They have children Robert, Hannah, Jane and Isabella as well as George and William. :)
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Prudhoe the town and Wylam are only 3 odd miles apart. Was the actual place of death in Prudhoe a private address or something like a workhouse where Isabella might have been receiving medical attention?
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In 1871 they are at 2 Walkers Cottages, Wylam.
William is an Ag Lab.
The three boys are with them.
Well that certainly puts them in the area, so I think I have the right DC. :)
It looks like the family group is correct too.
Many thanks.
Regards
Kevin
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William is an ag lab in 1851 too. Odd that he claims to have been a plate layer on the d/c, and you say he was also a blacksmith. Occupations can change though. :)
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Prudhoe the town and Wylam are only 3 odd miles apart. Was the actual place of death in Prudhoe a private address or something like a workhouse where Isabella might have been receiving medical attention?
The address just says West Wylam, Prudhoe. The informant doesn't seem to be related though (Edward Oliver) so I don't know if it is some institution or not. His address is also given as West Wylam, Prudhoe.
Regards
Kevin
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Location is a good fit Kevin. :)
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Prudhoe the town and Wylam are only 3 odd miles apart. Was the actual place of death in Prudhoe a private address or something like a workhouse where Isabella might have been receiving medical attention?
The address just says West Wylam, Prudhoe. The informant doesn't seem to be related though (Edward Oliver) so I don't know if it is some institution or not. His address is also given as West Wylam, Prudhoe.
Just to clarify:
Wylam and West Wylam are two different places.
Wylam is on the north side of the River Tyne.
West Wylam is on the south side of the Tyne and is now effectively part of Prudhoe.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=15&lat=54.96279&lon=-1.84503&layers=6&right=ESRIWorld
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I think you will find that Edward Oliver, the informant, was in fact Isabella Rowell's son in law. Hannah Rowell married Edward Oliver in Newcastle in 1869. In the 1881 census she is widowed and is housekeeper in a household with brothers William and Thomas Rowell. Both William and Thomas are coal miners. The address is West Wylam.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-W1ZW
( You stated earlier that you had no access to the census. As the attached link shows I hope you now realise that you actually do via family search and while the coverage is by no means exhaustive it is always worth considering Freecen as well.).
William
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Prudhoe the town and Wylam are only 3 odd miles apart. Was the actual place of death in Prudhoe a private address or something like a workhouse where Isabella might have been receiving medical attention?
The address just says West Wylam, Prudhoe. The informant doesn't seem to be related though (Edward Oliver) so I don't know if it is some institution or not. His address is also given as West Wylam, Prudhoe.
Just to clarify:
Wylam and West Wylam are two different places.
Wylam is on the north side of the River Tyne.
West Wylam is on the south side of the Tyne and is now effectively part of Prudhoe.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=15&lat=54.96279&lon=-1.84503&layers=6&right=ESRIWorld
Yes, I noticed that when I was looking at a map earlier. :)
The address where the family were living in the 1871 census seems to have been on the north side of the river.
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Hello,
Many thanks to everyone. I am pretty convinced now that I have the correct DC. The ROWELLS are not direct line and so I am pretty reluctant to spend too much to obtain the certificates...but it is a pretty intriguing situation so I may research it a little further if only to unpick the spaghetti pile!
I am curious about Mary Ann CHARLTON who married Joseph ROWELL in 1857 (MC in hand) as it says she was "full age" however I have her as only being 16 and one of her children (Emily Adelaide) was born ROWELL in 1865 (BC in hand) but her son George Robert born in 1867 is shown as illegitimate (BC in hand) as CHARLTON. The only Joseph ROWELL deaths I can find are in 1869 (aged 59) or 1868 (aged 48). I am leaning towards the 1868 death because of the age and the fact that George Robert was born after this date. The death is registered in Tynemouth but that may be close enough to Wall to be still possible. I think I will order the DC and see what it says.
Thnaks for all the pointers. I will close the request now.
Regards
Kevin
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I'm confused too ...
Emily Adelaide ROWELL birth registered Set qtr 1865 at Newcstle Upon Tyne mmn CHARLTON. I'm assuming this is her baptism:
18 Aug 1867 Emily Adelaide Rowell CHARLTON, mother - Mary Ann CHARLTON at Lee (I'm looking at the index only, not the image).
And in the 1871 census at Wall -
Robert CHARLTON 82 Hexham (gardener)
Margaret 83
Mary Ann 30 (gr dau, unmarried) Wall (ag lab)
Emily Adelaide 5 (great gr dau) Newcastle upon Tyne
George Robert 3 (great gr son) Low Brunton
RG10/5151 pg11
(George Robert birth reg - Dec qtr 1867 Hexham, no mmn. His baptism 13 Jan 1868 at Lee, mother - Mary Ann CHARLTON)
The only marriage I can see in 1857 for a Mary Ann CHARLTON is to Thomas ROWELL at Hexham. Is this the marriage cert you have?
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Also (again only looking at the index) on the marriage of Thomas ROWELL and Mary Ann - on 12 Dec 1857 at Saint Peter and Allenheads Chapelries,Allendale, it has the bride's name as Mary Ann CHARLTON or GRIFFITH. :-\
I think this family can be seen in 1871 at Escombe, Durham
Thomas ROWELL 40 Allenheads (coal miner)
Mary Ann 32 Wark
Ann Elizabeth 11 Allenheads
Emma 9
William 7
Mary Ann 1 Escombe
RG10/4926 pg38
(The children's birth registrations can be found with mmn CHARLTON)
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Maddy,
Many thanks. I have now order a handful of BC and DC's to try and make some sense of it. The MC shows Thomas as the spouse and he is a widower so that should cause even more confusion I am sure!. I have ordered a DC I found for Thomas (DEC 1860 Hexham 10B 176) mainly to see if this accounts for why Mary Ann ended up with her uncle. I wonder the family rumour mill speaks of some 'scandal' in this line of the family but I have yet to discover anything scandalous.
It is kind of intriguing as to why she is listed as 'unmarried' rather than 'widowed', hence why I ordered the DC.
Isn't genealogy fun? :) ...expensive but fun
Thanks again.
Regards
Kevin
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So the marriage certificate you have is for Thomas, not Joseph as you said in reply #19. Is this the marriage on 12 Dec 1857? Who does Mary Ann say is her father?
I think that there are two different Mary Ann CHARLTONs - I have identified them in 1871, one with her grandfather Robert CHARLTON (and presumably children Emily Adelaide and George Robert) at Wall, Northumberland (almost next door is her Uncle John CHARLTON and family); and the other with husband Thomas ROWELL in Escombe, Durham.
In 1861 the unmarried Mary Ann CHARLTON is with her uncle John CHARLTON and family at Wall.
In 1851 she is again with her grandfather Robert CHARLTON at Wall.
Whereas the Mary Ann CHARLTON who married Thomas ROWELL is with husband Thomas and family in Allendale in 1861, and presumably with mother Ann CHARLTON at Wark in 1851.
You said you also have the birth certificates of Emily and George - which Mary Ann CHARLTON were you following?
Modified to add:
Note also that Thomas and Mary Ann ROWELL (nee CHARLTON) are in North Bedburn, Durham in 1881 and Evetham, Durham in 1891, and Bearpark, Durham in 1901. Then widowed Thomas is in Nevilles Cross, Durham in 1911.
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So the marriage certificate you have is for Thomas, not Joseph as you said in reply #19. Is this the marriage on 12 Dec 1857? Who does Mary Ann say is her father?
I think that there are two different Mary Ann CHARLTONs - I have identified them in 1871, one with her grandfather Robert CHARLTON (and presumably children Emily Adelaide and George Robert) at Wall, Northumberland (almost next door is her Uncle John CHARLTON and family); and the other with husband Thomas ROWELL in Escombe, Durham.
In 1861 the unmarried Mary Ann CHARLTON is with her uncle John CHARLTON and family at Wall.
In 1851 she is again with her grandfather Robert CHARLTON at Wall.
Whereas the Mary Ann CHARLTON who married Thomas ROWELL is with husband Thomas and family in Allendale in 1861, and presumably with mother Ann CHARLTON at Wark in 1851.
You said you also have the birth certificates of Emily and George - which Mary Ann CHARLTON were you following?
Modified to add:
Note also that Thomas and Mary Ann ROWELL (nee CHARLTON) are in North Bedburn, Durham in 1881 and Evetham, Durham in 1891, and Bearpark, Durham in 1901. Then widowed Thomas is in Nevilles Cross, Durham in 1911.
Maddy,
I said it was a confusing tangle!
Yes the MC is for Thomas ROWELL and Mary Ann CHARLTON. Interestingly her father is listed as William GRIFFITH on the marriage certificate. Thomas' father listed as Matthew ROWELL
I am beginning to suspect that this Mary Ann CHARLTON isn't my Mary Ann
Here is my tangle as untangled (maybe) so far.
Mary Ann was born in 1841 to Isabella CHARLTON (no father listed on the BC)
Isabella CHARLTON married William ROWELL in 1842 (both fathers still living and both named Robert).
Isabella and William went on to have several kiddos but and died in 1872 (DC in hand). William is listed as her husband so I am pretty confident it is her (the age matches too)
So onto Mary Ann CHARLTON. What I know (or think I know) is the she birthed, at least, a daughter and a son.
Emily Adelaide ROWELL in 1865 (BC shows father as Joseph ROWELL). His occupation is listed as "Commercial Traveler".
George Robert CHARLTON in 1867 (BC shows no father)
Emily Adelaide CHARLTON had a girl in 1886 named?....you guessed it Mary Ann CHARLTON! (BC shows no father listed).
Emily Adelaide CHARLTON married James CARLYLE in 1891 (MC shows no father listed for Emily)
The Emily Adelaide ROWELL could be the red herring but I have been totally unable to locate a birth record for any other Emily Adelaide.
The only certainty I have is the Mary Ann CHARLTON/CARLYLE is correct. I am therefore reasonably sure that the MC for Emily Adelaide CHARLTON and James CARLYLE is correct. Before that....all bets are off. I am still trying to work through it all but time and money seem to be short!
Thanks for your assistance. Much appreciated.
Regards
Kevin
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Yes, I think the Emily Adelaide CHARLTON you have is likely the correct one, though there is the discrepancy between surnames on the birth registration and baptism.
I'm sure you have James CARLYLE and Emily Adelaide in the 1901 and Emily in the 1911 census.
1901 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS93-ZXB
1911 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMC-3X4
(and James in 1891 at Prudhoe)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:H3CV-J2M
I think then that Emily Adelaide's mother is Mary Ann CHARLTON (and whilst there is no father shown on her baptism, as the birth registration shows a Joseph ROWELL - according to the certificate you have - then he is a likely bet. :) , whoever he is, yet to be found.)
Mary Ann CHARLTON (born c1841, Wall according to census records) appears to be the daughter of Isabella CHARLTON. Her baptism looks like this one at St John Lee on 11 July 1841, mother: Isabella CHARLTON of Wall, I haven't seen the image but FreeReg also notes father's occupation "servant".
Mary Ann and Isabella are in the 1841 census at Wall:
Robert CHARLTON 50 (nurseryman)
Margaret 50
Isabella 20
Robert 20 (gardener)
John 15 (gardener)
Mary 1 month
HO107/842/31 pg4
Isabella's baptism - 23 Sep 1817 at St John Lee, parents Robert and Margaret.
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Of possible interest - there are many many mentions of Robert CHARLTON winning prizes for his flowers, some advertisements and a few articles in newspapers of the day over the years. This is a nice item from Saturday, May 1, 1847, Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury.
Oh, I can't attach an image in a lookup board. Here's a transcription:
"There is at present, in the collection of Robert Charlton, nurseryman, Wall, near Hexham, a Magnolia, in full bloom, with upwards of 200 flowers upon it, each flower measuring 4 1/2 inches in diameter. This species is quite hardy, having stood this and previous winters in the open ground, and without the slightest protection, and is very fragrant, scenting the whole village."
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Maddy,
That is very interesting information and I am so very grateful. It would seem that both sides of my family had green fingers, I wonder what happened to mine? :) I am waiting for some PDFs from the GRO to validate some of my suspicions (or not!)
It has been very interesting and somewhat confusing with all the Mary Ann's the Roberts and the weird flip-flopping Joseph and Thomas ROWELLs.
Thanks for all your input. It is very much appreciated. Next time I am in Blighty I think a trip to Acomb and Wall may be on a agenda
Best regards
Kevin
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The plot thickens!
I now have 2 DC's for Thomas and for Joseph ROWELL and 2 BC both for a Hannah ROWELL and all it did was further confuse the issue!
The Hannah ROWELL that fits shows father as William ROWELL, mother Isabella ROWELL (nee. CHARLTON). Hit! However, the father is listed as being a Hind, which seems a bit of a jump from being an Agricultural labourer. Anyway...she was born in 1845.
The other Hannah ROWELL (born 1844) shows mother as Mary ROWELL (nee. CHARLTON), father John ROWELL (occupation. Miller). I can't link this one in yet so it may be a red herring.
The deaths are seemingly unrelated too. The nearest fit seems to be
Thomas ROWELL (died 1860 aged 22). Informant is listed as William ROWELL but no relationship annotated but could be his brother. He died in Allendale and is listed as a Lead Miner. Neither Allendale nor Lead Miner seem to fit but I am still researching this one.
The other is for Joseph ROWELL (died 1866 aged 48). The informant on this one is Robert ROWELL (again no relationship annotated). Now he died in Blyth and is listed as being a Colliery Horsekeeper (whatever that is!) so the area and age may be an issue. I am researching further but I am just not sure.
All these pesky ROWELL/CHARLTON unions are beyond a joke!
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I decided to track down the Hannah ROWELL and Edward OLIVER lineage to see if that tracked anywhere. I believe Edward passed away in 1876 but I can't find him in the 1871 census. I found his marriage to Hannah in 1869. Hannah is with the CHARLTON family in the 1871 census with her son Joseph OLIVER, but no sign of Edward. A Hannah OLIVER then appears in the 1881 census living with her brother along with her brood (5 children) which leads me to believe her husband is around somewhere as the youngest child is only 1 so the death of Edward in 1876 maybe a red herring. How can someone disappear from the census yet still be breeding?
Regards
Kevin
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Sorry I don't have time to pursue this further at the moment, so will just make a quick comment regarding your two Hannah Rowell b/cs ...
Have you considered the possibility that two Rowell brothers (William and John) married two Charlton sisters (Isabella and Mary) and both had daughters which they called Hannah? There could also be some other kind of relationship such as cousins. What a tangled web. :)
The marriage certificates naming the fathers of all four may clarify.
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Sorry I don't have time to pursue this further at the moment, so will just make a quick comment regarding your two Hannah Rowell b/cs ...
Have you considered the possibility that two Rowell brothers (William and John) married two Charlton sisters (Isabella and Mary) and both had daughters which they called Hannah? There could also be some other kind of relationship such as cousins. What a tangled web. :)
The marriage certificates naming the fathers of all four may clarify.
Ruskie,
I am still investigating the ROWELL family but I haven't ruled out any possibility yet. It could be brothers or some other kin but at the moment I am still trying to unpick the ROWELLs. Fortunately FindMyPast has free access at the moment so I am downloading like crazy! The I can take some time to see if I can group them into some kind of order/family groups.
Fun, fun, fun. :)
Regards
Kevin
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If you have access to FindMyPast at the moment you should be able to find a likely candidate for Edward Oliver in the 1871 census. He is recorded as a boarder living in Ryton, Woodside, Gateshead, a coke burner age 27 and married.
I also note that Hannah Oliver is recorded as a widow in both the 1881 and 1891 censuses. It does seem likely to me that the 1876 death is the correct one for Edward. This would therefore mean that he could not have been the father of her 2 youngest children, Elizabeth Ann and John Thomas.
I would not be concerned about the hind and agricultural labourer issue. Agricultural labourer was a term used for all manner of farm servants. ( I have just read in the latest WDYTA magazine that it only became a widely used term from the 1841 census onwards).
William
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Millmoor,
Thanks for the heads-up on the Edward Oliver 1871 census entry. I have downloaded it.
I am still trying to unpick the ROWELL/CHARLTON spaghetti pile. It doesn't help when childhood deaths kick into play either. It looks like there could be some similar named (not sure if there is a connection between them yet) family groups too which isn't helping.
Oh well. Thanks again. I appreciate it.
Kevin
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The Hannah ROWELL that fits shows father as William ROWELL, mother Isabella ROWELL (nee. CHARLTON). Hit! However, the father is listed as being a Hind, which seems a bit of a jump from being an Agricultural labourer. Anyway...she was born in 1845.
Looking again at the 1861 census for William and Isabella transcribed in reply #8, William's occupation looks like "farm hind".
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Hind = Farm Labourer - A dictionary of old trades, titles and occupations.
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I'm not entirely sure why you are looking for a death certificate for Thomas or Joseph ROWELL. I appreciate that Mary Ann has said this is the father's name on Emily Adelaide's birth registration, however he doesn't appear on her baptism record (so far as I can tell - I haven't seen the image, just a transcription which only has mother as Mary Ann CHARLTON). Mary Ann says she is "unmarried" in 1871 not "widowed". The Joseph ROWELL, commercial traveller could be just a name to make the birth seem legitimate, or he could be a real person, but unfortunately we have no other details about him at this stage. He is not with Mary Ann in either 1861 or 1871, and I can't see any Joseph ROWELL, commercial traveller anywhere in either 1861 or 1871 anywhere in England. Of course he may have changed occupations.
Emily Adelaide did not know who her father was when she was married, which adds to my suspicion that her parents were certainly never married. Do you know if George Robert married? - I wonder who did he say his father was?
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Maddy,
It could be that George Robert married in Sept Q 1891 (Hexham 10B 457)....but I haven't ordered the MC to confirm. I live in Texas so even if I ordered it it would still take several week to get here. There are only 3 marriages showing for a George Robert CHARLTON between 1871 and 1900 and only one in the Hexham area so unless he moved away to marry (Emily did) I am thinking the Hexham one is the most likely candidate. Likely brides are Jane BARNBY or Phyllis THOMPSON. As the free period for FindMyPast is over I will not be able to check the family group in the 1891-1911 censuses just yet.
Thanks for the pointer and suggestion.
Kevin
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A George Robert CHARLTON (23) married Phyllis THOMPSON (21) on 19 Sept 1891 at Hexham. His father - John CHARLTON, her's Wiliam THOMPSON. (Again, not looking at the image, only on the index at Ancestry.)
They can be found on the 1901 census at Hexham:
George R CHARLTON 32 Hexham (railway engine driver)
Phyliis 30 Hexham
RG13/4824 pg 18
In 1891it looks like George is in Hexham, boarding in a hotel (23, St John Lee, railway stoker)
RG12/4247 pg11
I think George and Phyllis travel to Sydney, Australia in 1903 on the Orontes (Mr G R CHARLTON, 34, engine driver) and Mrs CHARLTON (32), though it says "Scotch". They end up in New Zealand where George Robert dies on 28 Sept 1910. This obit mentions that he had recently travelled back to his home town of Wall, Hexham-on-Tyne.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qkz/
(Whilst it looks possible, I'm not certain about the above. ;) )
Whilst this does look like your George Robert CHARLTON, I think it needs a bit more investigation, being a common name I think you need to rule out a few other possibilities.
It also doesn't really help you with who his father is ... It would be interesting to see the image of the marriage to check if there was any further information that may be helpful. And again, as there was no father recorded on his birth registration (or baptism), he may not have known who his father was. And he may not have had the same father as Emily Adelaide.
I can't seem to find George Robert in 1881. :-\
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Further to Maddy's post the George Robert Charlton who married Phyllis Thompson did it would appear emigrate to New Zealand. He left a will.
The attached link is of his death certificate but scroll backwards and forwards to find other attached documents including the will itself.
His death cert names his father as John Charlton a blacksmith. The informant did not know his mother's name. He died 28 Sept 1910 of TB. It gives his place of birth as Wall.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K6-83TL?i=499&cc=1865481
William
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I think that George Robert is recorded as George R Young in the 1881 census.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-456X
In researching my own family in Northumberland and Scotland I have encountered a lot of illegitimate births and how this has been dealt with on bmds. I have to say that I think that illegitimacy, and efforts to cover it up, is the "answer" to some of the questions you have raised in this thread. It looks to me that both Emily Adelaide and George Robert were illegitimate. It is interesting to note that on his death cert. he names his father as John Charlton, a blacksmith. John Young, his stepfather, was a blacksmith. Is this a coincidence ? The lack of a mother's maiden name on the death cert. may not be through a lack of knowledge but to hide his illegitimacy.
William
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That's great Millmoor, good to confirm what happened to George Robert. Interesting career, from engine driver, to bicycle seller to farmer. :)
And yes, there he is in 1881 back where this thread started with a YOUNG family, good find. (The other children in the household all have mmn CHARLTON, so this does appear to be George's mother, Mary Ann with John YOUNG. I should have realised as Emily Adelaide is with John YOUNG in 1891 at Prudhoe.
I agree, I don't think John YOUNG is George's father, and the fact that he names his father "John CHARLTON, blacksmith" is likely more than a coincidence, and rather a cover up for illegitimacy. Unfortunately it means his true father is unlikely to be found.
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All,
Thank you all so much. It is interesting that he names his father as John CHARLTON when even though the only John I have found in John YOUNG who married George's mother Mary Ann CHARLTON in 1871. (11th Dec Hexham 10b 462). According to George Robert CHARLTON's BC no father is named. I guess it is possible he didn't want to explain the surname difference and figured that nobody would even care on notice while he was in New Zealand?
Thank you all again for helping unpick the spaghetti. I still have lots of unravelling to do. It would appear that both my paternal and maternal side of the family were little tinkers (not literally!). I do have a strong lineage in paupers though and I am happy to report that I am continuing that tradition! :)
Regards
Kevin