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Edward Hanley & Mary Tracey were the parents of Margaret Hanley who married James Kimber 23.Oct 1876 St Michaels,Stockport,Cheshire.
Edward Hanley was a Schoolmaster according to what I found but it does not mention the actual place in Ireland where both he and Mary Tracey were born.
Their eldest daughter Julia was also born 1851 in Ireland.I dont know when they moved to UK.
Other children are : Margaret b.26th Jan 1855 Stockport,Mary b.1858,Winifred b.1861,Edward b.1863,
Patrick b.1865,Elizabeth b.1868
Any information which can help me to move further with this family prior to moving to UK.will be very useful.
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Have you got an idea of the dates of birth of Edward Hanley and Mary Tracey? You can this from the age at death on their death certificates. Also apx ages can be found from the English census records.
Not sure where you have looked thus far but there are spelling variations to both of these surnames that I have found/seen
Hanly
Handley
Handly
Also
Tracey
Treacey
Treacy
Tracy
This site is a great source of information but you really need apx birth dates to search successfully.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/
I have found a birth in Dublin in 1830 of a Mary Tracy to a Mary & Patrick Tracy.....
DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL
Baptism of MARY TRACY of SUMR HILL on 27 January 1830
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There looks to have been an Ellen bApril 1852 in Stockport area too:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JS1F-Z9J
so move had to be between 1851 birth and 1852 birth.
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There looks to have been an Ellen bApril 1852 in Stockport area too:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JS1F-Z9J
so move had to be between 1851 birth and 1852 birth.
This is very useful information indeed & thank you so much
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Have you got an idea of the dates of birth of Edward Hanley and Mary Tracey? You can this from the age at death on their death certificates. Also apx ages can be found from the English census records.
Not sure where you have looked thus far but there are spelling variations to both of these surnames that I have found/seen
Hanly
Handley
Handly
Also
Tracey
Treacey
Treacy
Tracy
This site is a great source of information but you really need apx birth dates to search successfully.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/
I have found a birth in Dublin in 1830 of a Mary Tracy to a Mary & Patrick Tracy.....
DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL
Baptism of MARY TRACY of SUMR HILL on 27 January 1830
Thank you so much,This is very useful information & I so appreciate you sending me the site for Irish Genealogy.
They maybe able to help me with their journey to live in the UK.
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there are only three entries for any Edward Hanley in the tithes Applotment books
see http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=hanley&firstname=&county=&parish=&townland=&search=Search
Hanley Edward Rathlee Easky Sligo 1842
Hanley Edward Rathlee Easky Sligo 1833
Hanley Edward Lackin Kilglass Sligo 1833
in case its helps location searches, although if very lucky one could be his father rather than your Edward
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there are only three entries for any Edward Hanley in the tithes Applotment books
see http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=hanley&firstname=&county=&parish=&townland=&search=Search
Hanley Edward Rathlee Easky Sligo 1842
Hanley Edward Rathlee Easky Sligo 1833
Hanley Edward Lackin Kilglass Sligo 1833
in case its helps location searches, although if very lucky one could be his father rather than your Edward
Thank you for this info,hopefully the Edward Hanley I am looking for is one of these or as you say maybe his father.I will try to see how far I get with your information.I am very grateful to you.
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Couple of points to possibly help. Edward appears on the 1851 aged 36 census as below.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2S-PW9
The daughter Anner (image looks like ONNER) who appears aged 2 is in fact as below
HANLY, HONORA mother's maiden name TRACY
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 19 Page 278--Heaton Norris comes under the Stockport registration district.
Quote:Their eldest daughter Julia was also born 1851 in Ireland.I dont know when they moved to UK.
According to the 1851 census Julia is aged 4(1846/7) so the move to the Uk can be narrowed down to between c1847-mq 1851 when Honora was born.
Edwards age jumps 20 years between 1851-61 but Mary's is consistent 22 then 32 and loses 4 years in 1871 when she is 38.
Seemingly Mary is a widow on 1871 census. A daughter Alice is born sq 1871 so Mary was probably pregnant with Alice at time of census. Cannot find at present a death for Edward as yet, and was Alice Edward's daughter?
HANLEY, ALICE mmn TRACY
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 70
John
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Couple of points to possibly help. Edward appears on the 1851 aged 36 census as below.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2S-PW9
The daughter Anner (image looks like ONNER) who appears aged 2 is in fact as below
HANLY, HONORA mother's maiden name TRACY
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 19 Page 278--Heaton Norris comes under the Stockport registration district.
Quote:Their eldest daughter Julia was also born 1851 in Ireland.I dont know when they moved to UK.
According to the 1851 census Julia is aged 4(1846/7) so the move to the Uk can be narrowed down to between c1847-mq 1851 when Honora was born.
Edwards age jumps 20 years between 1851-61 but Mary's is consistent 22 then 32 and loses 4 years in 1871 when she is 38.
Seemingly Mary is a widow on 1871 census. A daughter Alice is born sq 1871 so Mary was probably pregnant with Alice at time of census. Cannot find at present a death for Edward as yet, and was Alice Edward's daughter?
HANLEY, ALICE mmn TRACY
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 70
John
I too have been looking at this family on Family Search & noticed how their ages change from time to time.Very confusing to say the least.Thank you for your info
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Couple of points to possibly help. Edward appears on the 1851 aged 36 census as below.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2S-PW9
The daughter Anner (image looks like ONNER) who appears aged 2 is in fact as below
HANLY, HONORA mother's maiden name TRACY
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 19 Page 278--Heaton Norris comes under the Stockport registration district.
Quote:Their eldest daughter Julia was also born 1851 in Ireland.I dont know when they moved to UK.
According to the 1851 census Julia is aged 4(1846/7) so the move to the Uk can be narrowed down to between c1847-mq 1851 when Honora was born.
Edwards age jumps 20 years between 1851-61 but Mary's is consistent 22 then 32 and loses 4 years in 1871 when she is 38.
Seemingly Mary is a widow on 1871 census. A daughter Alice is born sq 1871 so Mary was probably pregnant with Alice at time of census. Cannot find at present a death for Edward as yet, and was Alice Edward's daughter?
HANLEY, ALICE mmn TRACY
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 70
John
I too have been looking at this family on Family Search & noticed how their ages change from time to time.Very confusing to say the least.Thank you for your info
More confusion for myself as looking at the birth of Honora in Heaton Norris 1849.I was under the impression that Julia b.1851 Ireland was their eldest daughter.On the 1861c Julia is 16 b.1845 Ireland & Ann who I am now presuming could be Honora is 13 & born Stockport.1848/9
Considering Edward was a Schoolmaster one would think the information given could have more clarity.
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Hi Betty, as you say and documents record ages do fluctuate with this family. However, having found Julia aged 4 in 1851 does give a very good indication of her birth c1847 in Ireland. I decided to follow Julia as far as possible. Have found her with mother Mary until 1901 census in Stockport and always born "Ireland". But in 1911 she is found aged 64 (c1847) as a cook in Durham, as below and it gives a birthplace
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWHP-6YK
Also a good contender for her death below.
Deaths Dec 1935
Hanly Julia 89 Sunderland 10a 558
Whilst it does nor answer your original post it does give some good clues.
John
Should have added, do you want any other info re who Edward & Mary's children married apart from Margaret whom you have details.
John
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Hi Betty, as you say and documents record ages do fluctuate with this family. However, having found Julia aged 4 in 1851 does give a very good indication of her birth c1847 in Ireland. I decided to follow Julia as far as possible. Have found her with mother Mary until 1901 census in Stockport and always born "Ireland". But in 1911 she is found aged 64 (c1847) as a cook in Durham, as below and it gives a birthplace
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWHP-6YK
Also a good contender for her death below.
Deaths Dec 1935
Hanly Julia 89 Sunderland 10a 558
Whilst it does nor answer your original post it does give some good clues.
John
Should have added, do you want any other info re who Edward & Mary's children married apart from Margaret whom you have details.
John
Wow! This is intriguing.What is very obvious is that all the Irish ladies at the Convent are Co-Occupiers whilst the English females are Servants.There are no others listed & yet apart from Julia they are all in the teaching profession.These are probably the Nuns.
I am not requiring any other info re:Edward & Mary's children thank you.I am very grateful for all you have helped me with.
Betty
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Townland on census is very likely:
https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/ballintober-south/cloontuskert/cloontuskert/cloonaddra/
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Several Hanleys recorded in area mid 1800s, at time of Griffiths valuation, including an Edward Hanley at Gortgallan townland:
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/roscommon/cloontuskert.htm
https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/ballintober-south/cloontuskert/cloontuskert/gortgallan/
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Several Hanleys recorded in area mid 1800s, at time of Griffiths valuation, including an Edward Hanley at Gortgallan townland:
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/roscommon/cloontuskert.htm
https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/ballintober-south/cloontuskert/cloontuskert/gortgallan/
All very interesting!and I didn't think I would get any information back on this family as they had only put Ireland as a place of birth on the UK censuses.Thank you.