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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: yasi123 on Monday 26 April 21 05:10 BST (UK)
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looking for burial place of elsie caroline hosey/hoosey last known residence molong nsw
elsie died in Molong in 1966. Her name was Elsie Carolyn Hosey/Hoosey née Lovern. She lived at 9 Molong street. She moved from the Kempsey area (Dondingalong) and was originally from Sydney.
i have looked in molong cemetery records and can find nothing
many thanks
is there any way adoption records can be accessed
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Do you have her death certificate? They usually have the cemetery where they are buried.
Her death was registered in Molong but that does not necessarily mean that is where she is buried. Her body may have been taken elsewhere for burial. Have you searched the cemetery where her husband is buried on the off chance she is buried with him? [His place of burial is noted in his obit on the link below]
HOSEY ELSIE CAROLYN 35243/1966 WILLIAM JOHN - MARY JANE - MOLONG
Her husband died in 1952
HOOSEY JOSEPH 5848/1952 HASSEN - JANE - KEMPSEY
His obit is on the link below in case that is of interest, mentions his childrens names to his first marriage etc.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/234653256
If you don't already have her death certificate it could be well worth while obtaining for place of burial.
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I agree with Giblet, and suggest the official transcription of the d.c. will include details supplied by the funeral director as to Elsie's remains.
I am not sure what you would expect to find in NSW adoption records, but I doubt that her d.c. would be included in them.
looking for burial place of elsie caroline hosey/hoosey last known residence molong nsw
elsie died in Molong in 1966. Her name was Elsie Carolyn Hosey/Hoosey née Lovern. She lived at 9 Molong street. She moved from the Kempsey area (Dondingalong) and was originally from Sydney.
i have looked in molong cemetery records and can find nothing
many thanks
is there any way adoption records can be accessed
JM
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You can always contact the Catholic Cemetery, West Kempsey where Joseph is buried [re his obit] and ask if she is buried with him or at least if there is a record of her buried there.
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JM, the adoption record part is concerning a child that Elsie adopted out.. [i read about it elsewhere]
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I have tried to send you a private message but it wouldn't let me.
Are you aware that Elsie may have had another child besides your grandfather?
I can't confirm this but a birth cert. for the child would.
She was born 1912 and died 1913.
Birth reg NSW
LOVERN IVY N 937/1912 mother ELSIE C - ANNANDALE
Death reg NSW
LOVERN IVY 5208/1913 ELSIE - SYDNEY
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Could be worth a look or you might even have seen it already.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122837511
Photo, once you open the below link if you click on the photo it will enlarge.
[Hope the link works and it will take a few seconds to load]
https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&docid=INDEX2092241
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is there any way adoption records can be accessed
Adoption as we know it didn't come in until the 1920's. Kids were fostered through the system or at times handed to other's to raise ie family, close friends etc. Quiet often even tho there was no "real" adoption the child took the families name as their own.
There appears to be 2 birth reg. for the same person. One 1917 and one 1930. JM can you explain why this would be please as i have no idea.
LOVERN ERIC M 27103/1917 mother ELSIE C - SYDNEY
LOVERN ERIC M 142/1930 mother ELSIE C
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thank you all i sort of suspect she could have been buried else where, where is the question
the person who read about adoption can i ask where you read it please
all i know is her first child was taken by welfare and adopted
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thank you all i sort of suspect she could have been buried else where, where is the question
the person who read about adoption can i ask where you read it please
all i know is her first child was taken by welfare and adopted
Firstly, if you would like anything i posted removed just let me know, for some reason it wouldn't let me private message you.
Western Australia was the first state to bring it in.
When did Adoption start in Australia?
1896
History of adoption. Concerns about high levels of infant mortality and occasional reports of infanticide cases led to the first legislation on adoption in Australia being enacted in Western Australia in 1896, with similar legislation following in other jurisdictions from the 1920s.
https://aifs.gov.au/publications/past-and-present-adoptions-australia
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There appears to be 2 birth reg. for the same person. One 1917 and one 1930. JM can you explain why this would be please as i have no idea.
LOVERN ERIC M 27103/1917 mother ELSIE C - SYDNEY
LOVERN ERIC M 142/1930 mother ELSIE C
PEARSON ERIC M 142/1930 mother IRENE
PEARSON Eric Michael 142/1930 mother Irene
Oh i think i might know why there are all these birth registrations now.
His birth wasn't registered and adoption come into in 1920's so his birth had to be registered for them to adopt him so his birth was registered twice, one for the birth and the 2nd time for a late entry, then his new name was registered due to the adoption??
JM would like your input please :) I would hate to post the wrong stuff.
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There appears to be 2 birth reg. for the same person. One 1917 and one 1930. JM can you explain why this would be please as i have no idea.
LOVERN ERIC M 27103/1917 mother ELSIE C - SYDNEY
LOVERN ERIC M 142/1930 mother ELSIE C
PEARSON ERIC M 142/1930 mother IRENE
PEARSON Eric Michael 142/1930 mother Irene
Oh i think i might know why there are all these birth registrations now.
His birth wasn't registered and adoption come into in 1920's so his birth had to be registered for them to adopt him so his birth was registered twice, one for the birth and the 2nd time for a late entry, then his new name was registered due to the adoption?? They probably had him from birth but didn't offically adopt him until 1930.
JM would like your input please :) I would hate to post the wrong stuff.
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IF he was adopted in 1930 im having problems finding where you can apply for his records. Im sure there is a 100 year seal on them but if you can find who to contact they would be able to give you more information on all of that.
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would elsie hoosey/hosey nee lovern be buried with husband joseph hoosey/hosey he us supposed to be buried in west kemspey cemetery could not find him, have been search today
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would elsie hoosey/hosey nee lovern be buried with husband joseph hoosey/hosey he us supposed to be buried in west kemspey cemetery could not find him, have been search today
According to his obit he was buried there, not all burials are online. I would give them a ring and see if they have him there and check for Elsie as well. She may or may not be there but could be worth a try since she doesn't appear to be at the Molong cemetery. Otherwise her death cert. would state where she is buried.
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An official transcription for the two reference numbers one registered 1917, one registered in 1930) will resolve the questions. :) There ought to be endorsements, and perhaps an NSW SC file reference stamped near top left margin... Adoptions in NSW in that era were closed by the Supreme Court but many recent NSW laws should help.
It is possible that a person born in NSW in 1917 is a living person, and NSW law thereby protects their expectation to privacy of the individual. That includes their names.
So the question becomes: Can our OP confirm that they already know that the1917 born person is no longer living?
JM ... Currently organising the 4th of 7 significant birthday celebrations THIS year :) :) :)
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giblet and others you help is much appreciated and any information is greatly appreciated