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Good people, I need help...
William Haynes b1710 St.Briavels, Glos married an Ann ? sometime in the period (I`m assuming) 1828-1834 but Ann who?
In the 1841-1871 Census Returns the couple are initially in Minchinhampton then later Rodborough where they raised their 11 children. Ann passed away in 1874 age 64 (Death Registration Vol 6a Pg 226 Oct-Dec). William remarried in 1878 to an Elizabeth Bowley; he passed away 10 years later in 1888.
The only source of information that I am missing is that that proves the first marriage ie where, when and Ann`s maiden name.
Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated.
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Have you looked at the GRO for the births of the children?
The mother’s maiden name is there,
I’ve had a cursory look at two of the children and it seems their Mother’s maiden name might be BEARD. But you should look at them all to confirm
HAYNES, EDWIN BEARD
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in STROUD Volume 11 Page 444
HAYNES, THOMAS BEARD
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in STROUD Volume 11 Page 434
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To tie in with those birth registrations there is a marriage between William Haynes and Ann Beard in St Mary, Calne, Wiltshire 4 Sep 1820 both of the parish - witnesses Absalom Flay & Thos Powney
Just off to check census for ages
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Earlier registered births are also showing mmn Beard.
HAYNES, CHARLES mmn BEARD
1837 Sept Quarter in STROUD UNION Volume 11 Page 295
That marriage is doubtful as their ages are constant with birth years c1811
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William junior was baptised with parents William & Ann 9 Aug 1835 at Rodborough, Elizabeth was baptised same place 13 Apr 1834 - both as 'Haines'
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All
Thanks for the input so far. Must admit I missed a trick by not checking the GRO Indexes for their children as that definitely confirms Ann`s maiden name as "Beard".
I had seen the marriage for Haynes/Beard in Calne, Wiltshire for 1820 but had discounted it for the same reason rosie99 did.
I`ve done abit more digging and discovered these possibilities:
Ann Beard Ch 25/7/1810 Bishops Cleeve, Glos - Parents: George Beard and Sarah King
Ann Beard Ch 9/4/1811 Frampton on Severn, Glos - Parents: Nathaniel Beard and Elizabeth
Ann Beard Ch 30/7/1809 Painswick, Glos - Parents: Elizabeth
Ann Beard Ch 2/9/1810 Stroud, Glos - Parents James Beard/Ann Roberts
In the latter`s case there is a Familysearch Family Tree that has her married to a George Verrender on 26 Oct 1835 in Lydney, Glos. Also, she seems to have passed away in 1850 in Stroud Registration District as she doesn`t appear with George Verrender and family in the 1851 Census.
So although I now know for sure that my Ann was "Beard", she could be any one of the above three. Not sure where to go from here there are so few websites that have Pre 1837 records.
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There is a Public Members tree on Ancestry.
Forest of Dean Forum has these baptisms at St Briavels
parents: John & Elizabeth HAYNES
Jane 1806
John 1808
Charles 1810
Charles 1812
Thomas - 1816 - parents: John (Shoemaker) & Elizabeth - residence: St Briavels
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Ann Beard
James Ball
Marriage 29 Oct 1828
Rodborough
Could they have split up or James Ball died 1828-1834. If it was her she would only have been about 18.
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There are also BEARD's who are Non-conformist (on Ancestry) etc.
e.g.
Thomas BEARD, birth 7 October 1810 - baptism date: 30 May 1813
Rodborough, Gloucestershire, Calvinistic Methodist - parents: Thomas & Elizabeth - residence: Painswick
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Capetown
I confirm I have the John & Elizabeth Haynes you noted as my William`s parents. William in later Census Returns is noted as a Shoemaker and Master Bootmaker therefore carrying on his father`s trade.
The Ann Beard christened on 30 July 1809 in Painswick could be a sibling of the Thomas Beard you mentioned as coming from a non-conformist family.
rosie99
I guess it`s possible as we know that widows and widowers didn`t hang around long before finding new partners in these times.
Lots of bits and pieces that link Ann Beard and William Haynes but the crucial evidence of their marriage is still evading me/us. If either of you think of anything else please update this thread as I shall do if I discover any evidence.
Thanks for all your help.
Knarf45
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The only extra info I can see at the moment - looking through Rodborough Marriages for witnesses etc.
Joseph GIBBONS of this Parish, and Harriet PAUL of this Parish
were married in this Church by Banns 9 August 1835 -
witnesses: William HAYNES - who signs his name
and
The mark X of Ann HAYNES.
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Joseph appears on census returns as a Shoemaker
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Marriage at Rodborough
7 November 18390
Richard CLARKE of this Parish and Elizabeth PHILPOTTS - of this Parish
witnesses: the mark of William CLARKE
the mark of Elizabeth BEARD