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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Yorkshire (West Riding) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests => Topic started by: emjayf on Wednesday 28 April 21 00:53 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
So I have been keeping a track of my family tree using the familysearch.org website. However I am finding it hard to find a relative's census on there that I can easily find on Ancestry!
The relative is Henry Fouldes and it is the 1891 census. His wife is Elizabeth Fouldes. They are in Sheffield, (Brightside Bierlow) but I cannot fathom why I cannot find them on Familysearch! Be grateful if anyone spots them and can send the link!
Thank you!
MJ
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7LNR-GPZ
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7LNR-GPZ
Ahhh Foulder!! Thank you so much!!!
Added now!
MJ
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Again on Familysearch and am trying to find the death of Elizabeth Fouldes
I find her easily enough on Ancestry and Free BMD. Can anyone spot the link:
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Registration Year: 1899
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 80
Registration District: Sheffield
Thanks. Dunno why I am finding it hard to find these people today! Usually it's a lot easier!
MJ
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Very easily found so don't know what you are doing wrong ;D
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2J5G-VGG
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Carol I have no idea! ;D I tried and tried being precise and then vague! It's a nightmare!!
Thank you again
MJ
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As a follow up can anyone help me find Henry Fouldes (or Foulds or Foulder) in 1871. I am trying to see when he married Elizabeth and find out what her maiden name was!
In 1861 he is living with his Grandma (also an Elizabeth), in 1881 he is married but is not actual on the census with his wife. He is with her in 1891.
Be nice to try and tie these loose ends up!
Thanks
MJ
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He was unmarried in 1861 and married in 1881 so have you checked freebmd for a marriage between those dates?
www.freebmd.org.uk
Elizabeth was 12yrs older than him
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Yes I did look at Free BMD and I did find a marriage in 1874 in Basford in Nottinghamshire. That was the only one between the dates.
Marriages Jun 1874
Foulds Henry Basford 7b 307
A reverse search for this
Marriages Jun 1874
Terry Elizabeth Basford 7b 307
So this is possibly them.
Cheers
MJ
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There is another possibility in Wortley Yorkshire in 1866 - on same page is Elizabeth Tipping
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Oh yes, and West Riding would include near Liverpool. And I think his Elizabeth was born in Liverpool.
Not as cut and dry as I thought!
MJ
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and West Riding would include near Liverpool.
No it wouldn't - many miles away from Liverpool. I only suggested it because he was living in Yorkshire but you need to check further
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Well the record said May 6th 1866 Henry Fouldes (34) married Elizabeth Tipping (38) at Penistone, St John the Baptist, Yorkshire. They both lived in Thurlstone but what makes it seem like the real thing is his father was John Fouldes - a Wheelwright. A few of my relations back then were also Wheelwrights.
Her age is correct. Still doesn't mean I can find them in that missing census! Haha!
Thanks again
MJ
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Is her age correct? 1891 he is 59 and she is 71 hence the 12yr age difference I mentioned earlier.
Was his father John?
Was his father a wheelright?
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Yes his father was John and a wheelwright.
Funnily enough I cannot find her on the 1871 census either. Maybe they were on holiday!
Thanks
MJ
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Sheffield Indexers website has
FOULDES, Elizabeth aged 80 years
Died at 40 Edgar St; Buried on October 3, 1899
Grave Number 1, Section CLASS C of St Thomas Cemetery, Brightside.
FOULDES, Henry aged 68 years
Died at 3 Ct Andrew St; Buried on September 25, 1899
Grave Number 1, Section CLASS C of St Thomas Cemetery, Brightside.
1891 census
10 Court 3 Andrew St Sheffield
Henry Fouldes 59 labourer in steel warehouse born Oxton Nottinghamshire
Elizabeth Fouldes 71 born Liverpool Lancashire
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Sheffield Indexers website has
FOULDES, Elizabeth aged 80 years
Died at 40 Edgar St; Buried on October 3, 1899
Grave Number 1, Section CLASS C of St Thomas Cemetery, Brightside.
FOULDES, Henry aged 68 years
Died at 3 Ct Andrew St; Buried on September 25, 1899
Grave Number 1, Section CLASS C of St Thomas Cemetery, Brightside.
1891 census
10 Court 3 Andrew St Sheffield
Henry Fouldes 59 labourer in steel warehouse born Oxton Nottinghamshire
Elizabeth Fouldes 71 born Liverpool Lancashire
Thank you! That is great. I did know the 1891 census details. The only one I can find neither on is the 1871 census. It is quite strange that they both disappeared for that year. Like I said before maybe they went off on holiday during that census day. I don't know.
Also nor sure where Elizabeth is in 1891. He is still at Andrew Street but all alone! She could be back at Liverpool visiting relations I guess!
Cheers
MJ
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On the marriage at St John’s Penistone (a place I know well as I lived there for 15 years), Elizabeth Tipping states her father is Christopher Varlow an engineer.
There is a marriage at St John Liverpool in 1830 of a Christopher Vrlow an engineer to a a Jane Gee. The image is on ancestry. For this to be Elizabeth’s father it would need to be a second marriage but it doesn’t say he is widower. It could be a brother of Elizabeth.
I have not yet found a baptism of an Elizabeth Varlow or Vrlow or her first marriage to somebody called Tipping.
Found an earlier marriage
Kester (old English form of Christopher) Varlow a mechanic engineer married Jane Williams in 1816 at St Mary Edge Hill Liverpool. Image on Ancestry.
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Elizabeth Varlow was baptised on 30 April 1820 at St Peter Liverpooldaughter of Christopher and Jane Varlow. I think they are living in ? Frederick St and Christopher is a Turner filer. Two years earlier a son Henry was born at that baptism Christopher is stated to be a mechanic. Henry died before Elizabeth was born.
In 1838 Elizabeth appears to have married a William Orrell in Bolton le Moors she states her father is Christopher Varlow. In the 1851 census she and William are living in Sheffield with 4 children. The eldest is called Christopher.
The children are Christopher Varlow 1839,Mary bat 1845, Matilda 1848, William Henry 1850, Hannah 1852 and James William 1858. The father William dies in 1858.
Somehow Elizabeth now needs to marry and lose a husband called Tipping so she can then marry again!
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And she did!
1859 she marries John Tipping in Sheffield.
1861 census Sheffield
Elizabeth Tipping (she’s stated to be married but no husband present) with her children Mary Ann 15, Thomas 5 and James W 5
In 1862 a John Tipping aged 62 dies in Sheffield. He’s buried in St Thomas Cemetery Brightside see Sheffield Indexers.
In 1866 as Elizabeth Tipping she marries in Penistone!
Enjoy writing the saga of Elizabeth Varlow!
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Wow! She had a busy life! Imagine all that! Henry probably had no children but he has a lot of Step Children!
Still no sign of them both on the 1871 censuses. That seems to be the shady year!
Cheers for that research! Really interesting.
MJ
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I’d have a look for the children in 1871 and maybe Elizabeth is living with them.
I’d didn’t record the districts of birth of all the children but she did seem to move about a lot!
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This is odd:
RG 10/4679/67/14
295 Alfred Road, Brightside Bierlow
Benjamin ?Fouldes, head, m, 39, labourer, Nottinghamshire, Orton
Elizabeth do, wife, m, 45, Lancashire Liverpool
Thomas O do, son, 15, Yorkshire Liverpool
James Wm, do, son, 13, do do
John Blagg, boarder, unm, 33, do Iron, Nottinghamshire Orton
William Gel??, widower, 42, do do, Yorkshire Sheffield
Bertha Bothamley, grand-daur, 3, do do
Is Thomas O Fouldes actually Thomas Orrell?
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This is odd:
RG 10/4679/67/14
295 Alfred Road, Brightside Bierlow
Benjamin ?Fouldes, head, m, 39, labourer, Nottinghamshire, Orton
Elizabeth do, wife, m, 45, Lancashire Liverpool
Thomas O do, son, 15, Yorkshire Liverpool
James Wm, do, son, 13, do do
John Blagg, boarder, unm, 33, do Iron, Nottinghamshire Orton
William Gel??, widower, 42, do do, Yorkshire Sheffield
Bertha Bothamley, grand-daur, 3, do do
Is Thomas O Fouldes actually Thomas Orrell?
Looking at 3 year old Bertha Bothamley, there is this birth:
3rd q. 1868, Sheffield 9c, 330, Bertha Bottomley, mother's maiden surname Orrell
Marriage: Matilda Orrell + on same page William H Bottomley, 4 q 1866, Sheffield 9c, 664
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Deleted - totally incorrect information :-X
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Well that seems to be them... But Benjamin?! Where has THAT name come from?! I mean it must be him - named as husband AND born around 1832 in Oxton. I suppose it could be a middle name, but it's never been mentioned before!
Well done for THAT detective work! I don't know if I would have found it!!
MJ
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I has a macabre thought when I woke up this morning. What if Elizabeth was something of a black widow? Not even younger Henry survived her wicked ways!
I suppose if the death certificates showed similar suspicious deaths then maybe!
Whatever happened she did seem unlucky with husbands!
MJ
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I think it is just a mistake Henry Fouldes was recorded in most things as born abt 1832 in Oxton Notts. There doesn’t appear to be a Benjamin Fouldes in 1832 in Notts.
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I can tell you this, for a paid service Ancestry seems to make a lot of spelling mistakes for names! I have seen family members names spelled wrongly on their transcripts. I think "Oh well a lot of people couldn't spell back then" but when I look at the original document I can see the spelling is totally correct, just ancestry has transcribed it all wrong! Has anyone else found that this is the case for them?
Cheers
MJ
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Just a quickie but for some reason I can no longer find John Gibson Fouldes in 1911 census! I have tried family search and Ancestry. He was born in 1884 in Sheffield and is living away from his family.
It is strange why I cannot find him! A family search link would be great!
Cheers
MJ
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If you just search for John Gibson F* in 1911 he comes up fairly easily. But the handwriting on the original is open to misinterpretation: you will find him as 'Fouleles' on FS and 'Foulkes' on Ancestry. Fouleles I can understand, but not Foulkes!
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Was that on Familysearch? As I tried searching those exact details and nothing came up!
If you meant Ancestry, apologies and I will try that later!
MJ
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Found him on Ancestry (I am quite shocked how often they seem to misspell things. I look at the original document and can see it was all spelled correctly originally).
Still gotta nail him on Familysearch!
Thanks
MJ
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Was that on Familysearch? As I tried searching those exact details and nothing came up!
If you search for the name I gave earlier on FS, i.e. John Gibson Fouleles, it comes up straight away. You need not add anything else to the search. Just the name.
If you just search for John Gibson F* in 1911 he comes up fairly easily. But the handwriting on the original is open to misinterpretation: you will find him as 'Fouleles' on FS and 'Foulkes' on Ancestry. Fouleles I can understand, but not Foulkes!
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Thank you! Got him! Guess I was being TOO specific!! It gets so frustrating when I know all the details but STILL cannot seem to find anyone!! 😂
Thanks again!
MJ