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Does anyone know the source maps of London used on theundergroundmap.com?
The 1900 and 1950 maps are available at the National Library of Scotland and the 1750 is Rocque, but I'm particularly interested in the detailed 1800, 1830 and 1860 street maps of Bethnal Green and Spitalfields and can't locate the sources. Those three don't seem to be available at mapco.net, my usual goto place for old maps.
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The link below takes you to a Bethnal Green 1868 map which someone doing their family history has put on.
http://www.lyons-family.co.uk/Parchment/1831-william-parchment/Bethnal-Green-1868-maps.html
Right at the bottom is the website address. Visiting that shows a means of contacting the owner of the website. Might be worth a try to ask where he got the maps from.
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I'm not certain about these but...
1830 map:
C. & J. Greenwood, 1824,1825,1826:
https://iiif.lib.harvard.edu/manifests/view/ids:8982548
1860 map:
Edward Stanford, 1862-1863:
Online version, maybe? Similar but not quite the same:
Historical Map of London by Stanford 1862
http://www.mappalondon.com/
I have a copy of the modern reprint, in poster form, and it looks very similar.
Street Maps of Victorian London, 1863: Edward Stanford
https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/street-maps-of-victorian-london-1863-9781908402523/
1860s map linked by Girl Guide:
Edward Weller, 1868:
http://london1868.com/
The Old Maps Online (https://www.oldmapsonline.org/) is a good source of old maps. I found the 1830 via OMO.
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Cuffie has listed some of my “go to” maps.
I thought it seemed odd that the website has “rounded up” years such as 1800, 1830, 1860, when the actual dates of the maps as per cuffie’s list aren’t usually “full” numbers - rather 1862, 1863, 1868 ..... etc.
The maps you mention all look familiar to me so without checking, I am sure that cuffie’s suggestions will be correct.
I’d never heard of “the underground map” so thanks for drawing it to my attention. ;)
Is there anything specific you are looking for in the Shoreditch/Bethnal Green area?
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I would suggest the best site for maps is the National Library of Scotland, don't be fooled by the name it covers England & Wales as well as Scotland and has a huge range of maps in different scales.
See :- https://maps.nls.uk/index.html
Possible one of the clearest sites for the history of the tube maps is
https://londonist.com/2016/05/the-history-of-the-tube-map
Pinterest also has some interesting maps including a physically accurate tube map and a map showing all the ghost or disused stations
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/329536897730185735/
Cheers
Guy
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The link below takes you to a Bethnal Green 1868 map which someone doing their family history has put on.
http://www.lyons-family.co.uk/Parchment/1831-william-parchment/Bethnal-Green-1868-maps.html
Right at the bottom is the website address. Visiting that shows a means of contacting the owner of the website. Might be worth a try to ask where he got the maps from.
The 1868 map is on http://mapco.net/london.htm along with a number of others, but unfortunately not those two, which have a higher level of detail.
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Cuffie has listed some of my “go to” maps.
I thought it seemed odd that the website has “rounded up” years such as 1800, 1830, 1860, when the actual dates of the maps as per cuffie’s list aren’t usually “full” numbers - rather 1862, 1863, 1868 ..... etc.
The maps you mention all look familiar to me so without checking, I am sure that cuffie’s suggestions will be correct.
I’d never heard of “the underground map” so thanks for drawing it to my attention. ;)
Is there anything specific you are looking for in the Shoreditch/Bethnal Green area?
Many thanks to Cuffie81, Girl Guide, Guy Etchells and yourself for your suggestions. I'll cetainly add some of those to my list.
Yes those dates are clearly rounded, but the actual maps I'm referring to are better than anything else I've found around those dates. For example, on the "1800" map if you zoom into an area around New Inn Yard and Holywell Lane, Shoreditch and you will see a level of detail that I've not seen elsewhere. The "1830" isn't quite so detailed as the "1800", but is still better than the 1820, 1827, 1834 and 1837 maps on mapco.
What am I looking for? Well, my latest project is to plot all of the places where my ancestors lived, particularly in Shoreditch, Spitalfields and Bethnal Green and to build a story around them. One family member, a poor weaver of Huguenot descent called George Robert Shoulder, moved (at least) 14 times between 1819 and 1892 as his family grew and then shrank again. At the moment I am using different maps including the 1746 Rocque (which is fully downloadable if anyone is interested), Charles Booth's 1898 Poverty Maps (also downloadable), those from Mapco and the NLS (the 1893-6 five-feet-to-the-mile OS map is amazing), but would really like to get my hands on those two too.
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It would be nice to know what that "1800" map is, as farmeroman says, it has a nice level of detail.
Also, as the Charles Booth Maps have been mentioned, the LSE has some high-res versions on their Flickr account. See the 'download' option in the bottom right of the image viewer.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lselibrary/albums/72157658449873093
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It would be nice to know what that "1800" map is, as farmeroman says, it has a nice level of detail.
Also, as the Charles Booth Maps have been mentioned, the LSE has some high-res versions on their Flickr account. See the 'download' option in the bottom right of the image viewer.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lselibrary/albums/72157658449873093
An interactive version of Booth's map and notebooks is available at the LSE without the need for a Flickr account here: https://booth.lse.ac.uk/map/14/-0.1174/51.5064/100/0
Downloads of individual sheets here: https://booth.lse.ac.uk/learn-more/download-maps
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Farmeroman, I have some maps in my “favourites” on my desktop PC which I will have a look at later to see if I can locate your detailed 1800s map.
You would expect the website to list sources though surely?
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Farmeroman, I have some maps in my “favourites” on my desktop PC which I will have a look at later to see if I can locate your detailed 1800s map.
You would expect the website to list sources though surely?
The 1900 and 1950 maps are attributed to the NLS, but the others are free of copyright and are only attributed to OpenStreetMap. However, I have spent some time this morning on OpenStreetMap and have discoverered a huge number of freely downloadable maps including the 1830 and 1800 maps.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Old_maps_of_London&filefrom=Rocque+Map+of+London+1746+012.jpg#mw-category-media
The "1800" turned out to be a 1799 map by Richard Horwood titled "Plan of the cities of London and Westminster, the borough of Southwark and parts adjoining shewing every house", although I've yet to find the high resolution files of all 32 sheets. They must be on there somewhere though...
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I thought that the “1800” map looked familiar. When I manage to get onto my PC I will see if I have the 1799 Horwood map, though I know several of my links to old maps are broken.
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I thought that the “1800” map looked familiar. When I manage to get onto my PC I will see if I have the 1799 Horwood map, though I know several of my links to old maps are broken.
The motco.com link is broken.
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I know this is not exactly what you are looking for, but you can zoom in to get a closer look:
https://www.foldingmaps.co.uk/republished-maps/horwoods-plan-of-the-cities-of-london-westminster-circa-1799
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Here they are: https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/view/search;JSESSIONID=827b8b0f-6d28-4c87-803c-89cb5ac15550?q=author=%22Horwood%2C%20Richard%22
The composite is a 122MB download.
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I also found this:
http://www.romanticlondon.org/navigating-the-plan/#17/51.52106/-0.09329
There is a pull down menu at the top.
(I looked at a couple of other sites which were not very user friendly)
Added: the David Rumsey one is good. :)