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Title: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: Ghosthunter50 on Thursday 29 April 21 18:17 BST (UK)
I'm looking for the inquest of my ggg grandfather Mathew Downey 1813- 14/6/1878. His death cert mentions an inquest will be held 15/6/1878, he had injuries to his spine & head.
I have scoured the newspaper archives in Wales online & the local paper in Brecknockshire of the time.
Title: Re: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 29 April 21 20:35 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat

Have you contacted the Records Office to check if they have the report?

Tel 01597 826088
Title: Re: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: Ghosthunter50 on Thursday 29 April 21 21:11 BST (UK)
Mm I don't remember, I've been on this trail for 20+ years but worth retracing my steps. I've been to Brecon library & got the newspaper of the year to find the article but to no avail.
Thank you, I'll ring tomorrow.
Title: Re: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: Greensleeves on Friday 30 April 21 08:14 BST (UK)
Hello and welcome to Rootschat.  Could you give us some information regarding the incident and where it took place?  That would make the search a lot easier.

Many thanks
GS
Title: Re: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: Ghosthunter50 on Friday 30 April 21 08:54 BST (UK)
Thank you GS,
Here goes info required:-
Reg dist- Brecknock
Sub district- Devynnock ( spelling changes of yrs)
County of Brecknock

14/06/1878 Pantweddis ( his home) Yscleidloen ( parish as spelt on cert)
Mathew Downey 66 Gamekeeper
Found dead in his house supposedly from injuries to spine or skull
Certificate received john ?? Williams coroner for Breconshire inquest held 15/6/1878
Dated 20/6/1878
William Smith registrar
This is all the info on the certificate
Title: Re: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: Greensleeves on Friday 30 April 21 22:02 BST (UK)
Not sure about that parish transcription.  From Genuki the parishes in the area:

"DEVYNNOCK, a parish in the hundred of Devynnock, in the county of Brecon, 7 miles S.W. of Brecknock. It is situated on the river Usk, and contains Ystradyelltey, Llanulid, Glyntawe, Llaniltid, Maescar, Glynn, and Senny. The great forest covers an area of 20,000 acres. The Roman road, Via Tulia, passed through the parish."

As you say, the spellings change a lot, often depending on whether the writer was Welsh or English.

I'm not sure about the name of his residence either.  I'll check on the old maps and see if there are any clues.

Regards
GS
Title: Re: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: Greensleeves on Saturday 01 May 21 07:38 BST (UK)
Mathew Downey was living in Llywel (aka Llywell) in the 1871 census in the parish of Ysclydach.  By coincidence this is the same parish  I lived in some years ago.  I'm still digging regarding the name of the property name.

Regards
GS
Title: Re: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: Ghosthunter50 on Saturday 01 May 21 14:09 BST (UK)
Hi GS
The property is still there today spelt "Pantweddus" on the OS map. It's just outside the village of Pentre'r-felin , a mile or 2 from Sennybridge.
He is buried in the church Rhyd-y-briw ( now within Sennybridge camp)but with no headstone,  I haven't found the exact spot in the graveyard. I tried corresponding with someone in charge but I came unstuck.
I think the word after "Pantweddus " on cert is supposed to be Ysclydach.
I am grateful for all your help.
GH50
Title: Re: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: Greensleeves on Saturday 01 May 21 18:55 BST (UK)
I've been trying to find Pantweddus on the map but as yet no such luck.*   The story of the death of the gamekeeper rings a bell for some reason.  Just wish I could remember where I read it originally. 

I've been looking through the newspapers on the National Library of Wales site, but I suppose you've been through those too.  There are plenty of reports of game-keepers being shot (accidentally or otherwise) but so far no report of your man has come to light.

Regards
GS

*PS: Ah yes, finally found it! *
Title: Re: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 01 May 21 20:57 BST (UK)
I've been trying to find Pantweddus on the map but as yet no such luck.*   The story of the death of the gamekeeper rings a bell for some reason.  Just wish I could remember where I read it originally. 

I've been looking through the newspapers on the National Library of Wales site, but I suppose you've been through those too.  There are plenty of reports of game-keepers being shot (accidentally or otherwise) but so far no report of your man has come to light.

Regards
GS

*PS: Ah yes, finally found it! *

For others - it's here

https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/629b0eba-25bb-404a-a938-234c7110736a
Title: Re: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: Ghosthunter50 on Saturday 01 May 21 22:19 BST (UK)
Yes, I've trawled online through the national Newspaper archives of Wales & been to Brecon library ( found other snippets about other Downey forefathers) but not this inquest info.
Thank you for the map.
Title: Re: Downey inquest lookup
Post by: Greensleeves on Saturday 01 May 21 23:14 BST (UK)
It does seem strange that we can't find details of the inquest because I'm sure it would have been a major story at the time.  I've tried looking for convictions too in the event that it was found to be murder but can't find anything in that respect either.  But as I said previously, somewhere in the back of my mind, some years ago, I am sure I came across a conviction of someone for a similar crime in this area, involving an attempted burglary and subsequent manslaughter.  Just wish I could remember, or if google could be kind to us.