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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: sunnyboy on Monday 03 May 21 14:25 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone.
I'm desperately trying to find the birth & burial place for my 4th GG Mother Mary. The 1851 census states what looks like "Clutton, Galway" (Ireland) as her birthplace but the 1841 census says that she was born in Scotland. So I'm reading Galway as "Galloway", Scotland and the only Mary I can find who was born abt 1783 was baptised in Dumfries to father Samuel McDowal a merchant. Mary went on to live in Liverpool where she married John Ravenscroft Stroyan (master mariner) in 1806. They had 5 children all baptised at the Scotch church St Andrews in Oldham St. Mary died in Liverpool in 1851 & John died in 1848 but I've been unable to find their burial places.
The other problem is that I cannot identify for sure which Samuel McDowal was Mary's father as there a number SMs born between 1753 & 1763 in Wigtownshire one or two of which went to Liverpool & became merchants / mariners. Any assistance would be appreciated.
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It helps us if when quoting census you give us the reference numbers for them. :)
There is a burial of a Samuel McDowal in May 1827 at Walton on the Hill - abode Wolstenholme Square age 68, he would be old enough to be her father. :-\
There is mention of a will on Lancat
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qkx/
In 1794 there was a Freight company at Parr Street / Duke Street Liverpool called Samuel McDowal & Co. The ship was 'Jeanie' and the master John McDowal.
Manchester Mercury 01 April 1794
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Is this one of their children’s marriages?
Mary McDowell Stroyan to John Carten Hesse on 2.9.1835 @ St Philips Liverpool
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A tree on Ancestry has John Ravenscroft Stroyan b Wigtownshire & Mary b Dumfries
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Thank you CaroleW & Rosie99 for your replies.
The 1841 & 1851 census refs are HO 107/561/17 & HO 107/2188 or 2189 (not clear) respectively.
I know of Samuels 1827 burial but have just ordered a copy of his Will which may hopefully shed some light on things & I'll look into the 1794 freight company lead. I'm pretty sure that this particular Samuel was a well known slave trader.
My 3rd GG Mother Mary McDowal Stroyan did indeed marry JC Hesse in 1835 at St Philips in Liverpool.
I think that the Ancestry tree you mentioned is probably mine.
Thank you again.
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These seem likely to be the death notices for John and Mary
sadly no info about where they were to be buried.
Liverpool Standard & General Advertiser
04 Jul 1848, page 15 col 6
DIED
[On the 27th Ultimo . .]
Same day, in Upper Stanhope-Street, aged 67, Captain STROYAN
Liverpool Standard & General Advertiser
14 Oct 1851, page 3 col 6
DIED
On the 6th inst., Mary, relict of the late Captain Stroyan
Boo
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Thanks Boo.
I have their death notice details but, as you say, no burial details unfortunately.
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Thank you.
1841
HO107/Piece 561 Book 17 Folio 5 Page 3
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ2B-YLY
Sorry, still can't see her in 1851
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Here you go Rosie:
1851 census
Piece 2183/Folio 143 /page 13
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG54-BV5
Unsurprising you (and I for a while) couldn't find her, the surname on the image does indeed look like it says "Storyan"
Boo
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Thank you Boo.
It does not help that F M P has not listed it with a birth place either. :). Also they have not linked the right image to the transcript ::).
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Hi sunnyboy
I too have failed to find burials for your John and Mary, but whilst firkling around I found that Oldham St Presbyterian Kirk had a churchyard, as did St Andrew's Presbyterian (which seems to have been formed when part of the Oldham St Congregation left to start their own kirk).
https://toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/Inscriptions%20Epitaphs%20&%20Memorials.html
(see bottom of that page)
Those interred at Oldham St Churchyard seem to have been removed to Everton Cemetery in 1928.
Everton cemetery is run by Liverpool City Council so an enquiry to them may tell you if there was a record of the names of the people whose remains were removed?
There seems to be a register of graves for St Andrew's Rodney St 1825-1854 and 1867 which would cover the time frame you have. Not sure if Liverpool Archives have a copy, worth asking.
Family Search have digitisted images of Monumental inscriptions for Oldham St and St Andrew's Rodney St, so they'd be worth looking through, just in case?
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/553771?availability=Family%20History%20Library
and this is a link to the National Records of Scotland holdings for St Andrews which appears to include those grave registers and a lot of other good stuff which may be of interest.
http://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk/scancatalogue/details.aspx?reference=GB234%2fCH2%2f245&st=1&tc=y&tl=n&tn=y&tp=n&k=liverpool&ko=o&r=&ro=s&
All of the above is a long shot but having failed using the usual sources, its the best I can come up with.
Boo
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Many thanks for the info Boo & sorry for my late reply.
I'll look at the options you mention & see what I can find.
Thank you once again, very much appreciated.
KR Sunnyboy