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On the 1939 Register it lists Alfred J Edwards Snr. born 13 Apr 1896. His son is Alfred J Edwards Jnr. and I know the J is John, so I assume his father was also Alfred John. On the GRO database, there are 7 listed for that quarter, all are Alfred Edwards, without the John. If I contact the GRO, from the name and date of birth, is it possible for them to establish the birth certificate I need to buy, as I do not want to order all 7? I have checked a few quarters before in case it was a late registration, but found nothing.
Talacharn
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Who did Alfred J Edwards senior marry? If you know that you will know the mother's maiden name and be able to locate the correct birth.
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I would find the marriage for Alfred J and Jane. Then see what you can find for the birth of Benjamin in 1916. That should narrow it down.
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Marriage: Alfred J. Edwards . Jane Williams
Jul-Sep 1916 . Merthyr T . Volume 11a . Page 1246
Benjamin has mmn/ and Alfred J has mmn Williams
I can find Jane but not Alfred J Snr. It would seem from the ones listed, he was not born in Wales.
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His brother :-\
Births Sep qtr1916
Edwards Benjamin mmn Williams
Merthyr T. 11a 1585
Births Dec qtr 1917
Edwards Alfred J mmn Williams Merthyr T. 11a 1403
Marriage Sep qtr 1916
Edwards Alfred J
Williams Jane
Merthyr T. 11a 1246
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From the marriage and Merthyr I know and it fits with my family tree.
She was born in Merthyr, but he must have moved there from England.
Trying to find his birth is the 1 of 7.
Added: Births of that Quarter
Chorlton mmn Carter
Ludlow mmn Glumer
Atcham mmn Diggory
West Bromwich mmn Corbett
Prescot mmn Evans
Runcorn mmn Christie
York mmn Dodds
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There are these deaths
Alfred Edwards Jun 1896 age 0 in Atcham
Alfred Edwards Mar 1897 age 0 in Chorlton CORRECTED
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Also
Alfred Edwards Mar 1897 age 0 in York
Alfred Edwards Mar 1898 age 1 in Prescot
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Thanks Comberton,
At least 3 is better than 7.
My hunch is the West Bromwich birth. I have no proof yet, hence the question.
The family married within circles. Some lead to the Merthyr/Aberdare areas and others arrived from the West Midlands, but at present, I cannot connect this family between the two. There could also be traveller links.
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Sorry, not West Brom
Baptism
Alfred Edwards
born 27th April 1896
baptised 20th May 1896
West Bromwich St James
Alfred and Sarah Ann
He is in West Bromwich in 1939 with wife Hazel
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Thanks, I had found them, but only using Family Search, not the 1939 reference. There is a death for an Alfred Edwards after the 1939 Register, which suggested the right birth year, so I was a little unsure.
That leaves Ludlow and Runcorn. I will look for both with the mmn. Either would be a surprise.
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If we are going strictly by his birth date of 13 April 1896 that would put the registration into the June quarter.
For the June quarter of 1896 the below birth is the only one that comes up for an Alfred J
EDWARDS, ALFRED JAMES ROGERS
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 239
There are no other Alfred J Edwards for that quarter.
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I noticed the Alfred James Edwards birth, but could not link it. The son was referred to as junior, and Alfred John, so I feel Alfred senior should also be John. Now I have found this death record, that confirms it is not the right person.
Death: Alfred James Edwards . Birth: 30 Apr 1896
Apr-Jun 1972 . Plymouth, Devon . Volume 7A . Page 1962
But there is no Alfred John Edwards, so I assume he was registered only as Alfred.
I have found both the Runcorn and Ludlow Alfred Edwards on census records and it could be either.
ADDED: I cannot find a marriage between Edwards and Glumer.
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In case this is the one
Baptism
Alfred Edwards
baptised 2nd August 1896
Runcorn All Saints
Thomas and Mary Ann
49 Nelson Street, Runcorn
father was a labourer
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Thanks Comberton, That is the Runcorn one I found. The Ludlow one is more of a challenge.
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May I strongly recommend that you obtain the marriage certificate for Alfred and Jane? That way you will know definitely what his second name is.
I can appreciate that the two Alfred's are designated as Snr and Jnr on the 1939 but that does not necessarily mean that both of them have the same second name.
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I agree. The marriage is right, which should give his father's name and occupation. I do have marriage certificates for my family, where I know the name given is wrong, because the father was not known, so used grandfather or uncle.
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If, for whatever reason, Alfred Snr's birth was registered late, then there is this one:-
EDWARDS, ALFRED JOHN RIPPON
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in HUNTINGDON Volume 03B Page 277
This is in Cambridgeshire.
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The 1901 census for that birth shows Alfred's father is John.
Living at Great Whyte, Ramsey, Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire & Cambridgeshire
John and Amy with four children. John's occupation is coalman labourer.
Registration district Huntingdon
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1470
Folio 30
Page 19
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For that period you should be able to get a PDF of the birth sent to your computer for just £7.
Usual price for a full cert would be £11.
Incase you have more than one to purchase.
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I have looked at the Cambridgeshire census and I am unsure. Alfred J Edwards Jnr. was my Uncle Alf in Carmarthenshire and born in Hirwaun near Merthyr Tydfil. He was around 5ft 5ins, wiry, spoke Welsh and looked more tinker/traveller. Great Whyte, Ramsey, Huntingdonshire was the main road and his brother was a trainee hairdresser. I should not judge, but I do not see the connection.
I do have PDFs, but before I buy a birth certificate the answer should be found on their marriage certificate, which I will order, but marriages are only a paper version.