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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: hencarrai on Wednesday 05 May 21 20:43 BST (UK)
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I have a marriage record of Frederick, a farmer, widower of Gwehelog, Mon and Ann King, widow.
Married by licence 28th Aug 1827.
Is there any chance of finding the deceased spouses of the couple?
Thanks for any help.
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Not that this helps with first marriages - no children with them on 1841 census
Burials Gwernesney, Monmouthshire, Wales
Frederick Warren age 64 Burial 27 Aug 1842
Anne Warren age 80 Burial 2 Aug 1852
Have you looked for any possible children born to a Frederick Warren in Monmouthshire?
Edit to add found Ann on 1851 census, 6 general servants
Ann Warren Age: 77 Wid farmer of 160 acres
Where born: Crowell, Glamorgan, Wales - looking at original think it reads Cromell? Gloucester
Civil Parish or Township: Gwernesny
Piece: 2450 Folio: 250 Page Number: 13
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FreeREG has an 1802 marriage Frederick Warren to Elizabeth Knights at St Marylebone
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/58181917e93790eb7f2f8dc0/elizabeth-knights-frederick-warren-marriage-middlesex-st-marylebone-1802-05-30?locale=en
Marriage detail can be found on Anc*y London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
He signed both - check to see if you think his signature looks similar
Edit to add - possible death for the above Elizabeth Warren so probably not your Frederick’s first wife
Elizabeth Warren Age: 68 Burial 8 May 1849 Saint Marylebone, Westminster
Is this her on 1841 census?
1841 Piece: 675 Folio: 9 Page Number: 9
St Marylebone
Elizabeth Warren 52
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The best I can find is a marriage of Harriett Warren residence Gwehellog, 9 Dec 1832 to George powell.
Surely a relative of some sort.
On familysearch
Mike
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The marriage bond on NLW suggests Frederick was a batchelor.
You have to buy the details but may not contain much more
Mike
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The best I can find is a marriage of Harriett Warren residence Gwehellog, 9 Dec 1832 to George powell.
Surely a relative of some sort.
On familysearch
Mike
Possible burial
Harriett Powell age 64 Burial 22 Aug 1877 Gwernesney, Monmouthshire, Wales
And is this her on 1871 census
Piece: 5338 Folio: 38 Page Number: 6
George Powell 62 Farmer
Harriet Powell 57 Gloucestershire
Ann Powell 35
Marie H Powell 23
Frederick G Powell 18
Plus 3 servants
POWELL, FREDERICK GEORGE mmn WARREN
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in PONTY POOL Volume 11A Page 119
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Thanks all,
There is a Cromhall in South Glos, not very far from Gwernesny.
I have possible children of Frederick as Henry 1812 - 1878,
and Harriet 1813 - 1877.
No mention of Henry in Fred's will. Only Harriet, George Powell and Ann (widow).
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When you say;
I have possible children of Frederick as Henry 1812 - 1878,
and Harriet 1813 - 1877.
Do you mean you have Bapts for them?
There is a HARRIET King* bapt 30 Apr 1815 St Andrew, Cromhall, Glous, Mother ANNE King
Fredk and Anns Marriage is on FreeREG 26 Aug 1827, Widower/Widow
Groom abode Hamlet of Gwehelog*
(I cant access actual image)
Also a ELIZA Waren bapt 14 Aug 1836 Usk to HENRY/KIMBRAH(Father a Farmer, abode Gwehelog*)
+ ANN Warren 30 Apr 1838 Raglan
Kimbrahs mn was Powell as you probably know.
1835 Marriage has Henry as Wharren
KIMBREL Warren died 1858 (FreeBMD)
He appears to have remarried 1861 to Ann ROBERTS
Trish :)
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Fredericks will
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/984272
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No Trish, I don't have bapts for Henry or Harriet.
Your Harriet King looks good, 1815 Cromhall.
So Fred could have gained a 12 year old daughter on his marriage to Ann(e) King.
1861 census shows Harriet as born in Glos, (Thornbury?).
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The marriage bond on NLW suggests Frederick was a batchelor.
You have to buy the details but may not contain much more
Mike
The original image has widower and widow.
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Signatures
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Harriets marriage,
Wittnesses both Knight
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I have the Knights as George Powell's sister Catherine and her hubby James Henry Knight, married 16th April 1823.
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Does the paperclip signify an attachment?
If so, how do I get it?
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Does the paperclip signify an attachment?
If so, how do I get it?
Just click on it and it will download, it's only the same as you can see , not the full image.
It's on Ancestry.
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I've been clicking, but nothing happens.
Same with your 'signatures' post
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Are you tapping / clicking on the numbers.
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Sorry to be so thick, but which numbers.
I think I've clicked on just about everything.
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Are you looking at the paperclip on the post heading re Frederick Warren ?
It's not that, it's under the images and should have a row of numbers and jpg.
We can't put full images of certificates on here, it's not allowed.
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I'm the same as Hencarrai - there's just a paperclip and words but no images/link to an image file
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Ive contacted moderator
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I can see the images at the moment ok ???
Regards
Sarah
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I can see the images at the moment ok ???
Regards
Sarah
Yes, and I can download them. Very odd. Thanks for checking.
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Have refreshed the page - still no images. I use Firefox as my browser - not sure if that'll make a difference
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I`ve just tried my desktop with Firefox and it`s fine, but also OK on my tablet.
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It's bizarre - seems to be this thread. I can see images in others, such as https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=848463.0
Just noticed this is a look up requests board - I didn't think you could attach files on look up boards? I haven;t got an option to attach a file to this message, for example
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Moved to the Monmouthshire board, you should be able to see the images now.
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Yes - works now
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Thanks everyone, I can see the images now.
Sorry to put you to so much trouble.
Did I post to the wrong board?
I guess we won't get the answer to my original query re deceased spouses.