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Title: Frederick Warren
Post by: hencarrai on Wednesday 05 May 21 20:43 BST (UK)
I have a marriage record of Frederick, a farmer, widower of Gwehelog, Mon and Ann King, widow.
Married by licence 28th Aug 1827.
Is there any chance of finding the deceased spouses of the couple?
Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 05 May 21 21:24 BST (UK)
Not that this helps with first marriages - no children with them on 1841 census

Burials Gwernesney, Monmouthshire, Wales

Frederick Warren age 64 Burial 27 Aug 1842

Anne Warren age 80 Burial 2 Aug 1852

Have you looked for any possible children born to a Frederick Warren in Monmouthshire?

Edit to add found Ann on 1851 census, 6 general servants

Ann Warren Age:   77 Wid farmer of 160 acres
Where born:   Crowell, Glamorgan, Wales  - looking at original think it reads Cromell? Gloucester
Civil Parish or Township:   Gwernesny
Piece:   2450 Folio:   250 Page Number:   13
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 05 May 21 21:34 BST (UK)
FreeREG has an 1802 marriage Frederick Warren to Elizabeth Knights at St Marylebone

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/58181917e93790eb7f2f8dc0/elizabeth-knights-frederick-warren-marriage-middlesex-st-marylebone-1802-05-30?locale=en

Marriage detail can be found on Anc*y London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936

He signed both - check to see if you think his signature looks similar

Edit to add - possible death for the above Elizabeth Warren so probably not your Frederick’s first wife

Elizabeth Warren Age: 68 Burial 8 May 1849 Saint Marylebone, Westminster

Is this her on 1841 census?

1841 Piece:   675 Folio:   9 Page Number:   9
St Marylebone
Elizabeth Warren   52

Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: mazi on Wednesday 05 May 21 22:09 BST (UK)
The best I can find is a marriage of Harriett Warren residence Gwehellog,  9 Dec 1832 to George powell.

Surely a relative of some sort.

On familysearch

Mike
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: mazi on Wednesday 05 May 21 22:19 BST (UK)
The marriage bond on NLW suggests Frederick was a batchelor.
You have to buy the details but may not contain much more

Mike
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 05 May 21 22:38 BST (UK)
The best I can find is a marriage of Harriett Warren residence Gwehellog,  9 Dec 1832 to George powell.

Surely a relative of some sort.

On familysearch

Mike

Possible burial

Harriett Powell age 64  Burial    22 Aug 1877     Gwernesney, Monmouthshire, Wales

And is this her on 1871 census

Piece:   5338 Folio:   38 Page Number:   6

George Powell   62 Farmer
Harriet Powell   57 Gloucestershire
Ann Powell   35
Marie H Powell   23
Frederick G Powell   18
Plus 3 servants

POWELL, FREDERICK  GEORGE     mmn WARREN 
GRO Reference: 1852  S Quarter in PONTY POOL  Volume 11A  Page 119
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: hencarrai on Friday 07 May 21 10:48 BST (UK)
Thanks all,
There is a Cromhall in South Glos, not very far from Gwernesny.

I have possible children of Frederick as Henry 1812 - 1878,
and Harriet 1813 - 1877.
No mention of Henry in Fred's will. Only Harriet, George Powell and Ann (widow).
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 07 May 21 13:49 BST (UK)
When you say;


I have possible children of Frederick as Henry 1812 - 1878,
and Harriet 1813 - 1877.

Do you mean you have Bapts for them?

There is a HARRIET King* bapt 30 Apr 1815 St Andrew, Cromhall, Glous, Mother ANNE King

Fredk and Anns Marriage is on FreeREG 26 Aug 1827, Widower/Widow
Groom abode Hamlet of Gwehelog*
(I cant access actual image)

Also a ELIZA Waren bapt 14 Aug 1836 Usk to HENRY/KIMBRAH(Father a Farmer, abode Gwehelog*)
+ ANN Warren 30 Apr 1838 Raglan

Kimbrahs mn was Powell as you probably know.
1835 Marriage has Henry as Wharren

KIMBREL Warren died 1858 (FreeBMD)


He appears to have remarried 1861 to Ann ROBERTS

Trish :)
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 07 May 21 14:17 BST (UK)
Fredericks will

http://hdl.handle.net/10107/984272
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: hencarrai on Friday 07 May 21 15:27 BST (UK)
No Trish, I don't have bapts for Henry or Harriet.
Your Harriet King looks good, 1815 Cromhall.
So Fred could have gained a 12 year old daughter on his marriage to Ann(e) King.
1861 census shows Harriet as born in Glos, (Thornbury?).
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 07 May 21 16:07 BST (UK)
The marriage bond on NLW suggests Frederick was a batchelor.
You have to buy the details but may not contain much more

Mike

The original image has widower and widow.
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 07 May 21 16:17 BST (UK)
Signatures
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 07 May 21 19:35 BST (UK)
Harriets marriage, 
Wittnesses both Knight
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: hencarrai on Friday 07 May 21 21:51 BST (UK)


I have the Knights as George Powell's sister Catherine and her hubby James Henry Knight, married 16th April 1823.
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: hencarrai on Friday 07 May 21 21:58 BST (UK)
Does the paperclip signify an attachment?
If so, how do I get it?
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 07 May 21 22:37 BST (UK)
Does the paperclip signify an attachment?
If so, how do I get it?

Just click on it and it will download,  it's only the same as you can see , not the full image.
It's on Ancestry.
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: hencarrai on Saturday 08 May 21 10:46 BST (UK)
I've been clicking, but nothing happens.
Same with your 'signatures' post
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 08 May 21 11:09 BST (UK)
Are you tapping / clicking on the numbers.
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: hencarrai on Saturday 08 May 21 16:45 BST (UK)
Sorry to be so thick, but which numbers.
I think I've clicked on just about everything.
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 08 May 21 16:54 BST (UK)
Are you looking at the paperclip on the post heading re Frederick Warren ?

It's not that,  it's under the images and should have a row of numbers and jpg.

We can't put full images of certificates on here, it's not allowed.
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 08 May 21 20:05 BST (UK)
I'm the same as Hencarrai - there's just a paperclip and words but no images/link to an image file
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 08 May 21 20:13 BST (UK)
Ive contacted moderator
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: sarah on Saturday 08 May 21 20:29 BST (UK)
I can see the images at the moment ok  ???

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 08 May 21 20:43 BST (UK)
I can see the images at the moment ok  ???

Regards

Sarah

Yes, and I can download them. Very odd. Thanks for checking.
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 08 May 21 21:46 BST (UK)
Have refreshed the page - still no images. I use Firefox as my browser - not sure if that'll make a difference
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 08 May 21 23:40 BST (UK)
I`ve just tried my desktop with Firefox and it`s fine, but also OK on my tablet.
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 09 May 21 11:16 BST (UK)
It's bizarre - seems to be this thread. I can see images in others, such as https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=848463.0

Just noticed this is a look up requests board - I didn't think you could attach files on look up boards? I haven;t got an option to attach a file to this message, for example
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: dawnsh on Sunday 09 May 21 20:06 BST (UK)
Moved to the Monmouthshire board, you should be able to see the images now.
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 09 May 21 21:08 BST (UK)
Yes - works now
Title: Re: Frederick Warren
Post by: hencarrai on Monday 10 May 21 10:16 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone, I can see the images now.
Sorry to put you to so much trouble.
Did I post to the wrong board?

I guess we won't get the answer to my original query re deceased spouses.