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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: TopHat62 on Friday 07 May 21 22:31 BST (UK)
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I have been working on my family tree for a few weeks now, sorting out the family narrative sent to me by a cousin of my mother's. He used to be on the committee of Norfolk Family History Society so the narrative is long (33 sides of A4) and detailed.
It reads like a story though and there aren't any birth certificate index references and very few parish register entry numbers. Adding Grangers onto a spreadsheet uncovered an un-numbered and un-bolded living cousin in Berkshire.
This week, I discovered HENRY GRANGER on the 1881 census, born in Highgate, Norfolk. Aged 44, he was living with wife JANE A GRANGER (34) born in Sunderland with six children (there may have been more). I have birth cert index references for the eldest four. They were living at 7 Zetland Street, Monkswearmouth Shore, Durham. Henry's occupation is listed as a tinship hole driller.
For unknown reasons, my cousin didn't put much info on the parents of HENRY GRANGER, ROBERT GRANGER and wife HANNAH GRANGER nee SEXTON and certainly didn't mention that they had six sons. I will search Norfolk first for Henry's five brothers.
I don't know Co Durham or Sunderland at all, so I'd like to know if there are any local resources which would help me.
Specifically, I'm looking for info on the local shipyards in 1881, in the hope that there might be some good archives. I want to find out where Henry and Jane might be buried and as Jane was a local, where they might have got married. Is there a good local source for parish registers online please ?
I'm looking to find living distant cousins in the area I hope, as there were 6+ children. If you have Henry and Jane Granger in your tree,we're probably related. I've noticed quite a few Grangers in the Durham Light Infantry. on the National Archives website, so I'm hopeful.
I'm the great great great great granddaughter of blacksmith and publican HENRY GRANGER (1775-1837) whom ROBERT GRANGER also traces back to.
Hoping that someone can point me in the right directions. Many thanks !!
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Welcome to Rootschat.
Robert/Hannah Bapt Kings Lynn
WILLIAM 13 Nov 1827
ROBERT 17 Feb 1831
WILLIAM 20 Jun 1833
HENRY 28 Mar 1835
Then at Gaywood;
BENJAMIN 07 Apr 1839 as Grange
JOHN 19 Sep 1841
THOMAS 21 Apr 1844 as Grange
All above on FreeREG (some records also have birth dates and residence and Roberts occp)
So 1841 we have in Gaywood;
Robert Granger 35
Hannah Granger 35
James Granger 15
Robert Granger 10
William Granger 8
Henry Granger 6
Benjamin Granger 2
I cant see a Burial for the 1st William born 1827 or a Bapt for James c 1835.
Trish :)
EDIT if you havent used it before FreeREG is great for Norfolk records;
www.freereg.org.uk
Hannah SEXTONs Bapt is there 1803 and Robert Grangers also.
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Hello and Welcome
You asked for info on the Sunderland end of your family:
There is a burial for Jane Ann Grainger of 3 Zetland Street in Mere Knolls Cemetery (Western Extension), Sunderland (Fulwell) on 13 March 1901. She is recorded as the widow of Henry Grainger.
This from Durham Reocrds online - a pay to view but very reasonable.
https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com
I'll check for Henry and report back.*
Gadget
* nothing found so far.
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Henry Grainger was buried on 23 Jan 1895 at same cemetery as his wife.He is described as a labourer of 59. Abode is given as Union Workhouse Workhouse. Workhouses were also used as hospitals in those days.
Source as above.
Gadget
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Death Registration -
Henry Grainger, Houghton Le Spring ,1895, Q1, Vol 10A, Page 282
Gadget
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Also, Jane's death reg:
Jane Ann Grainger, 55, Sunderland , Q1, 1901, Vol 10A, Page 430
Gadget
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Thank you so much Trish and Gadget !
I have used lots of different websites, but haven't used freereg so I will give that a try, thanks. The Durham Records Online website is just the sort of thing I was looking for, so that's excellent, thank you.
I am used to Granger or Grainger. My late grandfather was GRAINGER but his parents and two brothers were GRANGER. Though Arthur was GRAINGER throughout his life, his wife became GRANGER and so was his daughter, (my mother)
I am a bit perturbed to see GRANGE crop up for the first time that I know of. Hoping it's a transcription error, not another variation. :argh:
Thank you both of you for the warm welcome and the kickstart x
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There is a marriage for a Henry Granger and a Jane Ann Fairclough in Sunderland in 1864
Using the 1881 info -
Henrietta is registered Sunderland 1881 Q1, 10A 657 MMN Hairclough - GRO error!
Eleanor is registered with MMN as Faircough
Grainger and Granger seem to be used!
Gadget
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These can be useful if you have time to browse
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index?owc=9K5M-GP8%3A13618101%3Fcc%3D1309819
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I seem to remember seeing an Elizabeth Fairclough Granger birth in the Sunderland area. There may have been more than six children. I will check deaths as well, because that saves hours of looking for marriages and other info. Findagrave.com can be useful, too.
I spotted Henry Granger on the 1881 Durham census and thought 'What is one of mine doing there ?" I wouldn't have been surprised if I had discovered the branch in Hull or Grimsby as my great grandfather worked on steamers on the routes to King's Lynn and several Grangers had wives from fishing families too. My grandfather was a fisherman before he got married.
But tinship hole driller was a weird occupation for someone from a family of blacksmith-publicans. I wonder whether he set out to make some money and emigrate. There he was on the census at 44 and dead at 55. I want to find out how toxic shipbuilding was. Wondering whether he was in the workhouse with asbestosis.
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They were living at 7 Zetland Street, Monkswearmouth Shore, Durham. Henry's occupation is listed as a tinship hole driller.
Hope you don't mind a minor correction :) but his occupation in 1881 is iron ship driller and the family are living at 3 Zetland Street, not 7 (same as in the Jane's 1901 burial )
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Corrections welcome ! I use a variety of sources so I'm sure transcription errors creep in there. In old-fashioned handwriting, 3 and 7 look quite similar sometimes.
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Wondering whether he was in the workhouse with asbestosis.
You might need to get the death cert for that. I'm not sure that the Workhouse records would be online.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/HoughtonLeSpring/
Gadget
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I seem to remember seeing an Elizabeth Fairclough Granger birth in the Sunderland area.
There’s this entry on GRO indexes
GRANGER, ELIZABETH FAIRCLOUGH mmn FAIRCLOUGH
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 708
Edit to add her death
Elizabeth Fairclough Grainger age 14
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1886
Registration District: Sunderland Durham Volume: 10a Page: 325
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There is a burial of an Elizabeth Jane Granger of 5 Zetland Street in 1866 (Durham Records Online) :-\
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A link to the location of Zetland Street.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101099531#zoom=6&lat=4078&lon=7762&layers=BT
Zoom in and out to see the location in relation to the Wear/Docks. I think it's just NE of the Glass Centre* :)
Gadget
* before the pandemic, I used to go there quite often :)
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Welcome to Rootschat.
Robert/Hannah Bapt Kings Lynn
WILLIAM 13 Nov 1827
ROBERT 17 Feb 1831
WILLIAM 20 Jun 1833
HENRY 28 Mar 1835
Then at Gaywood;
BENJAMIN 07 Apr 1839 as Grange
JOHN 19 Sep 1841
THOMAS 21 Apr 1844 as Grange
All above on FreeREG (some records also have birth dates and residence and Roberts occp)
For info.
The actual image of the 1835 baptism record for Henry Granger on family search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XCZ2-7W?i=91&cc=1416598&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJ924-J4P
You can also view baptism images for William, Robert & John Granger, just use surname & parents name
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Welcome to Rootschat :-)
This looks quite likely to be your Henry Grainger:
Sunderland Daily Echo & Shipping Gazette
21 Jan 1895 page 3 col 1
STRANGE DEATH AT HOUGHTON
Yesterday morning, a man was found in a dying condition at Houghton limeworks, and being
removed to the workhouse there died very shortly afterwards. He was heard to say something about "Roker", which caused the county police to forward a description of the deceased to the Sunderland Authorities, with a view to identification.
The man is stated to be apparently from 50 to 55 years old, 5ft 4in. high, of fair complexion, with brown eyes, hair, whickers and moustache, turning grey; he was dressed when found in a blue reefer jacker, grey tweed trousers and waistcoat, grey tweed trousers and waistcoat, grey and white striped flanne shirt, fur cap, with blue cotton lining, grey worsted stiockings and old elastice sided boots.
The latest information is the the deceased is Henry Grainger, of 3 Zetland-street, Monkwearnouth. Grainger was recently fined half a crown at the Sunderland Poloce Court in a School Board prosecution case, and failing to pay was sent to Durham gaol for three days. He was liberated last Friday morning and it is supposed that he was tramping back to Sunderland when found, and had become exhausted.
Boo
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That's great, Boo. It adds background and more qualitative info to what we've found. I think Zetland Road is just south of Roker Avenue, which might suggest that he was trying to tell them where he lived.
Gadget
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Its sad, but does give a greater insight than a death cert would :-)
I love it when a firkle pays off!
Boo
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Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette 23 January 1895
page 4 col 2
DEATH FROM EXPOSURE
Yesterday Mr Maynard held an inquest at the Police Court, Houghton le Spring, touching the death of Henry Grainger, 59 years of age, who died at the workhouse, Houghton le Spring, on Sunday,
-- John Howe gave evidence as to finding deceased at the lime kilns. -- Sergt. Yeandle said that the man died soon after being admitted to the workhouse,. Deceased was in a vey exhausted condition when found. His clothing was saturated as though he had been exposed to the rain. -- A son of deceased identified the body as that of his father, who, he said, lived at Zetland-street, Monkwearmouth. He was apparently walking fron Durham, where he had been undergoing a term of imprisonment for non-payment of a School Board fine. -- The jury returned a verdict of "Death from exposure".
Boo
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WOW you're all great detectives. So sad that Henry died like that.
I'm thinking that the Durham branch goes back further than I thought as I found James Simpson Sexton down as a brother and he was Hannah Sexton's illegitimate son born around 1822, in the workhouse in King's Lynn. So Henry Granger's half brother.
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Poor man and his family :'(
We lived half way between Durham and Sunderland when we first got married and the thought of walking all the way in the winter, probably without any food and wearing poor clothing, is so very awful.
Gadget
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WOW you're all great detectives. So sad that Henry died like that.
I'm thinking that the Durham branch goes back further than I thought as I found James Simpson Sexton down as a brother and he was Hannah Sexton's illegitimate son born around 1822, in the workhouse in King's Lynn. So Henry Granger's half brother.
It 'is' sad, but we often find that the past just can't be judged from a present day perspective and have to accept that things are what they are.
Pleased to have found such a detailled account for you. I assume his death cert would give you no more info than he died 'from exposure' but these newspaper reports add such a lot to the bare bones cause of death.
I have found, over the years, that there were a LOT of folk originally from Norfolk who settled in the Durham/ North East of England areas.
Best to keep an open mind about the number of people who settled a long way from their original birthplaces. See what the records turn up (and always, always, view original records where possible)
Boo
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A premature death of child or adult, due to poverty, is still sad and still happens today. On my first day working at Lillywhites in London, a homeless man had died in the rear entrance way. Living in Canada, a friend told me that a homeless man had frostbite and died of exposure, near her apartment.
I'm very grateful to forum members to getting me off to such a great start. I think I need to check out the price for the British newspapers archive online. I might be able to find out if my great-grandfather really did slip beween mooring and boat, and get somewhat crushed, for example.
It's very good advice to try to go for original source as much as possible. At uni, I always searched for Flogett & Jones rather than quoting Floggett & Jones IN Perry & Maybe (all names fictitious). I have found that censuses aren't always accurates for ages or names and that children can be baptised even 14 years after birth.
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They were living at 7 Zetland Street, Monkswearmouth Shore, Durham. Henry's occupation is listed as a tinship hole driller.
Hope you don't mind a minor correction :) but his occupation in 1881 is iron ship driller and the family are living at 3 Zetland Street, not 7 (same as in the Jane's 1901 burial )
I see that in 1871 he's a 'driller in iron ship y[ar]d'.