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Julia WHITE married James EDNEY at Taupiri in 1884. He was 32 and she was 24.
Her father was James WHITE, Professor of Music and her mother was Amelia WALTON. Julia was born in Santiago, South America.
Witnesses were
George Alfred Thompson - Auckland
Amelia White - Wanganui
Harriet Walton Thompson - Auckland
T T White - Builder, Auckland
George Alfred THOMPSON married a Harriet WALTON in Westminster in 1856 and Harriet Walton THOMPSON is one of their daughters. Another daughter Georgina THOMPSON married an Edward WALTON.
Trying to find out who Amelia WHITE is, is she Julia's mother? Who is T T White?
Is there a connection between Edward WALTON, Amelia WALTON and Harriet WALTON?
Some fresh eyes would be appreciated.
Thanks
Ian C
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Who is T T White?
Thanks
Ian C
2nd time for trying, posted as the Internet went down.
School records 1902 show a T.T. White as Parent/Guardian for an Elsie White, born 13 June 1896, living at Taupiri. Elsie's birth is also shown in 1911 as 13 June 1897, with Parent/Guardian being E.M.White, again Taupiri.
Then in 1906 we have T.T.A.A. White as Parent/Guardian of Zillah Lone White, born 5 August 1900, living at Taupiri.
Cheers
KHP
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George Alfred THOMPSON married a Harriet WALTON in Westminster in 1856 and Harriet Walton THOMPSON is one of their daughters. Another daughter Georgina THOMPSON married an Edward WALTON.
Above daughter Georgina, is shown as Georgina Amelia THOMPSON (m. 1894 Edward WALTON) ... just in case it helps with sorting out the "Amelias" .
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T T White is Thomas Tristan Alfred Arthur White, and there is an online Probate for him.
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/SimpleSearchResults.do
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks KHP and Lu.
Found a tree on Anc for TTAA White and according to that he was born in Chile, so there must be some connection with Julia. His father was John and mother Mary Ann nee WALTON.
There is a Mary Ann WHITE buried in the Kimbolton Cemetery with Julia EDNEY. She died 1918 aged 85.
Ian C
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Found his baptism in Santiago on Familysearch, born Dec 1861.
Also found a Julio White in 1860 and a Maria Amelia Lucy White in 1864. Parents John Jesse White and Mary Ann WALTON.
Wonder is Julio is Julia and her parents names on the marriage cert are incorrect.
See from TT's will he left a Stradivarius violin to one of his daughters, so there is musical ability there.
Ian C
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Hi Ian
Mary Ann WHITE - shown as "Ann WHITE" on burial record (Kimbolton Cem.)
Added : There is also a separate plaque on main (EDNEY) headstone for Mary Ann WHITE.
Here's her funeral notice .. .
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/FS19180227.2.23.2
>... late Mary Ann WHITE ... will leave residence of her son-in-law (Mr EDNEY) Kimbolton ...
Q: Doesn't that suggest that she is the mother of Mr EDNEY's wife (who is Julia ) ???
~ Lu
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Ian ... our posts crossed so I'm still pondering info in your previous post - Julia's parents ??
~ Lu
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Somewhere in my travels I have come across this child's name & the South American connection who has as a guardian TTAA White either Zillah Lone, Tone, Ione White (from KHP's post)
1900/7856 White Zillah Ione Clara Minotte Thomas Iristan Alfred Arthur -
1892/2061 Clara Winotte White Thomas Tristan Alfred Arthur White
1943/24478 White Clara Minot 77Y
1927/4183 Zillah Ione White John Thomas Holt
1932/7084 Holt NR Zillah Ione John Thomas
Probably peripheral......
This probably explains why Zillah got the Stradivarius
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers?phrase=2&items_per_page=10&snippet=true&query=zillah+white
Musical family, the other daughter and wife (Clara) of TTAA White here?
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18930328.2.34?items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=clara+white&snippet=true
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Ian ... WHITE familiy's arrival in Auckland 1878 >
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PCS-BJR?i=18&cc=1609792&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFSYK-RZF
WHITE
- Mary Ann - 47
- Julia - 18
- Thomas - 16
- Amelia - 14
~ Lu
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I think you are right Lu. If Mary Ann died at her son in laws then the parents names on the marriage cert are incorrect
Julia, Thomas and Amelia WHITE arrived in Auckland together in 1877, so definitely siblings.
There is another tree on Anc that has Harriet WALTON wife of GA Thompson as a daughter of Elijah and Mary Ann WALTON, born Birmingham Warwickshire. No daughter Mary Ann in the tree but I did find a baptism for a Mary Ann to the same parents in 1835 in Birmingham.
Amelia WHITE married Albert McBETH in 1886. According to the McBETH info I have she was born in Santiago.
So that solves that little mystery.
Of the witnesses GA THOMPSON was Julia's uncle, Harriet Walton THOMPSON her cousin and Amelia and TT WHITE her sister and brother.
Thanks very much.
Ian C
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TTAA birth
Name:
Thomaz Tristan Alfredo White
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
18 Feb 1862
Christening Place:
Santiago, Santiago, Metropolitana de Santiago, Chile
Christening Place (Original):
El Sagrario, Santiago, Santiago, Chile
Birth Date:
29 Dec 1861
Father's Name:
Juan White
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Mariana Walton
Mother's Sex:
Female
Record Collection:
Chile Baptisms, 1585-1932
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FJCR-3LW
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Is there a connection between Edward WALTON, Amelia WALTON and Harriet WALTON?
Details for Harriett* WALTON (* signed wedding register as "Harriett" - two "tee's)
Marriage - St Clement Danes - London
9 July 1856
George Alfred THOMPSON - Bach. - Brushmaker
Harriett* WALTON - spinster ... both full age
Fathers : George THOMPSON - Brushmaker / Elijah WALTON - Tailor and Draper
Witnesses : Elijah WALTON and Sarah WALTON
~ Lu
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... I was a bit slow there, at the end.
But ... SORTED now I guess ?? ;D
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1871 census has Mary Ann and children back in Birmingham, England. Her occupation is Professional Singer. Down as married, not a widow.
Thomas and Amelia at home and Julia away at school.
Ian C
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Julia, Thomas and Amelia WHITE arrived in Auckland together in 1877, so definitely siblings.
WHITE familiy's arrival in Auckland 1878 >
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PCS-BJR?i=18&cc=1609792&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFSYK-RZF
WHITE
- Mary Ann - 47
- Julia - 18
- Thomas - 16
- Amelia - 14
Hi Ian ... I'd be pretty confident that the Mary Ann WHITE - 47 - ex Warwickshire - who appears to be listed separately above the names of the WHITE children, is in fact their mother. ;D
~ Lu
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Just found some info on John Jesse WHITE. His father was a music seller in 1851 and JJ was a Professor of Music then at age 18. He was born in London and did not die until 1916. Had sisters Amelia and Julia.
His brother Thomas Henry WHITE came to NZ and was at Taupiri at the same time as Julia etc. He was an architect and died in Opotiki.
http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php?topic=4714.0
Ian C
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Hello.
This is my teritory. The names you quote are familiar to me.
Tonight I should be able to find contact addresses for people researching the family at TAUPIRI and later at GORDONTON, but first have a busy day ahead. I have assisted them in the past.
Alan.
PS Supplied by PM contact details for a Thomson family member/researcher.
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Decided to get Mary Ann WHITE's death printout.
Born Birmingham, parents Elijah and Mary Ann WALTON (nee LEE). Married John Jesse WHITE aged 20 in Birmingham, England. Occupation Professional Singer and been in NZ 40 years.
Ian C
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For the record, and any one picking up on the Thomas Henry WHITE reference, various Waikato historians have made mention of this early pioneer, and early buildings.
Waikato District Council heritage notes includes the following quote.
Quote from page 44 of a report, commissioned by Waikato District Council, from Heritage Consultancy Services. Dated 13/5/2014.
“When Thomas Henry White and his family arrived and settled on a farm just to the east of Taupiri in 1873, he built a large house he called ‘Ferndale’; his daughter Clara recalled that only a few Maori and a few white people were living at Taupiri at that time and the Armed Constabulary had a camp near the hotel.148
The first white women to settle in Taupiri were Mrs Stewart, whose husband was an interpreter, and Rosanna Ralph, common-law wife of William Lovell.149
Rosanna Ralph was the daughter of Antony and Margaret Ralph, who owned coal mines in and around Huntly.150
By 1879 William Lovell he owned a large proportion of the land in the township, having purchased allotments from the government as they became available.
In November 1878 he bought the 150 acres belonging to George Thoms.”
Alan.