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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Brian1 on Monday 29 August 05 21:37 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have info on the 44th Foot regiment, particularly between 1770 and 1850
Brian1
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You've probably already got this Brian!
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~clday/44hist.htm
What was it you were looking for?
Annie
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A couple to keep you going!!
http://www.fifedrum.org/crfd/images/D44.htm
http://www.britishbattles.com/braddock.htm
Annie
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Hi Annie,
Many thanks for the site references for the 44th foot. This is the first time I have researched this regiment. It has only just come to light that I have an ancestor who served with the regiment in early 1800's and was posted to Malta, Corfu, Bahamas and Halfax, Nova Scotia.
Will now start some earnest research.
From one Liverpudlian to an other thanks again.
Brian1
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Hi Brian,
Just as you mentioned Malta you might like to check out this link to Libraries & Archives of Malta includes a Family History link which I have found useful
http://www.libraries-archives.gov.mt/nam/ser_family_history.htm
All the best
Wendi
it does help to attach the link ;D when you post ;D
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Hi Wendi,
Thanks for the info. Will follow your advise and try to glean some facts from the Malta Archives.
Brian1
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Hi Brian!
Does this ancestor have a name ? - do you know anything about him?
Annie
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Hi Annie,
Thanks for your posting. The person I am researching is a Henry Cordial ( quite an unusual name ). He was born in Granard, Longford, Ireland in 1797 and served first with the 44th Foot and later with the Rifle Brigade. From another source I have something on his postings which included Malta, Corfu, Bermuda, Halfiax Nova Scotia, London and Ireland. Sounds like he had a real holiday with some of those destination although I expect it wasn't so delightful in the early 1800's. My g.grandmother was born in Nova Scotia and was christened Sarah Mary Cordial. He retired from the army aged 48 and settled in Claregalway ( about 8 miles from Galway city ) and I have him pinpointed in the Griffith Valuation tables for Galway in 1855. I went to Dublin and found that the house he was leasing he vacated in 1857 and at that point he disappears.
His elder brother James Cordial also served in the army and was in 28th Dragoons ( Light ) and also he 6th Dragoon Guards. He was born in Kingsborough, Longford in 1779 and was discharged aged 44 from the army. His son James Courts Cordial also joined the army and served with distinction being mentioned in dispatches at the battle of Kartoum.
All three appeared to have been bandmasters.
Regards
Brian
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Hi Brian!
Problem with unusual names is - that sometimes it's harder to find them than Smith or Jones!! ::)
What a great family history you have going there! - I'll see what I can come up with and maybe somebody else might be able to help too!
Annie :D
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Brian!
Garen has a terrific web site that may give you some insight into your family's military careers - take a look!
http://www.garenewing.co.uk/kandahar/
Annie :D
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Brian - Check this out! this is Canadian - but was the son in the British Army? I think I got confused because Henry and Sarah were in Nova Scotia .... ???
http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmil/index.html?o_xid=0039503765&o_lid=0039503765&o_xt=39503765
NILE EXPEDITION
Battle of Khartoum
In 1884, during the Battle of Khartoum in the Sudan, the British put out a call for Canadian volunteers to help guide British soldiers up the Nile River. The soldiers were to provide some relief to the isolated men stationed there.
The River Column left Korti on the Nile, December 1884, to traverse the rapids and advance south into the Sudan to relieve Gen. Gordon in Khartoum, who was being attacked by the forces of the Mahdi. General Lord Garnet Wolseley needed men who could overcome the Nile's cataracts as they moved upriver, and he decided that Canadian boatmen like those who assisted in his Red River Expedition, would be the answer.
Only 89 men actually helped the expedition in moving the boats up the Nile. A total of 16 Canadians lost their lives during this six-month, 19,000-kilometre expedition. The journey turned out to be in vain as the British troops were killed two days before the rescuers arrived. Upon learning of General Gordon's death, the column was forced to retrace its steps in March 1885
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp/mainmenu/group03/em
Annie
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Hi Annie,
Thanks for all of your efforts, they are greatly appreciated.
I will certainly follow all of the leads you have given me.
The sons of Sarah Mary Cordial and their careers certainly make very interesting reading.
Four of them went to Boston in the States and one went into the U.S. Army and served in the U.S. Mexican war at the turn of the century. One went to Alaska and California gold mining. One as they say was serving the the railroad. One became a Boswain's mate in the U.S, Navy. One left for Buenos Aires and became a millionaire developing the telephone network in Argentina and building the huge Post and Telegraph office in the centre of the city. Two went to Australia and two stayed in the U.K.
Of the American side one of the their sons became a Colonel in WW2 and is mentioned in dispatches and decorated for his part in the capture of the Bridge at Remagen.
This all makes for very interesting reading and the best part is that I am still unearthing new facts week by week.
Many thanks for all your help and I do hope I am not boring you too much with all of this history.
Brian
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No! this is wonderful - sorry if I got a little confused!! what a terrific family history - this is ten thousand times better than Ag Labs!!!
Here's a book - don't know if you could get it from the library - but it might give some idea of James Cordial's life and times!!
Hay, Captain William, CB. Reminiscences 1808-15 Under Wellington. These excellent memoirs chronicle the author's service with the 52nd Light Infantry in the Peninsula from 1810 to Sept. 1811 incl Torres Vedras, Fuentes de Onor and Cuidad Rodrigo. He then transferred to the 28th Light Dragoons and saw extensive service in the Peninsula 1812-14 and at Waterloo 1815. 1992 r/p of 1901 ed, 6 x 9, 311 pp, list of engagements, index.
Annie
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Brian -
here's the Rifle Brigade ! - my Granddad was in the Rifle Brigade - but a little later!! Boy your guys are all over the place - hope you get to travel!!!
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Eawoodley/regency/95th.html ::)
:P
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Hi Annie,
Thanks again for your posting. Guess you must be burning the midnight oil like me.
Wonder was the Rifle Brigade related to Sharpes ' Chosen Men '?
Have done a fair bit of travelling as once I had unearthed my Boston connection I then went t visit them last November.
Many thanks again.
Brian
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Is that a TV program or film or something?
I've never heard of them ..... :P
Annie
Well I guess I'm answering my own question.... ::)
http://www.southessex.co.uk/
I had never heard of it!! - duh!
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Hi Annie,
I was referring to the TV series which I think was called Sharpe. This starred Sean Bean in the role of Sharpe and featured a specially selected group of men who excelled in marksmanship, hence sharp shooters. They were in the Spanish and Portugese Peninsular war in the Napoleonic period. These were dressed in plain green tunic similar to the photo's of the Rifle brigade on one of your featured sites.
Brian1
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Hi Brian!
I haven't been in England for a while - so I've never seen that program ::)
is it any good? - I'll have to look for it and read a bit more!!
Now you'll maybe take a little more notice - if you can still watch it !!
Annie
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Hi Annie,
This was an excellent series which followed the fictional exploits of a small group of riflemen specially chosen for their accurate marksmanship, hence their term ' chosen men'. It is set during the British Peninsula war circa 1805 which was masterminded by the Duke of Wellington.
These specialist soldiers were dressed in distinctive green ( the only unit in the British army that did not wear red in this period). I expect this was an early form of camouflage. I raise this question as it seems that the Rifle Brigade was also dressed in green. Possibly this TV series was based on a special section of the Rifle Brigade.
Thus endeth the lesson for today.
Regards
Brian1
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Well "Padre" - I'm going to look for it!
They used to call the Rifle Brigade the Grass Hoppers - because of the green!
Boy! your family!!
Did the guy waiting for the tide coming in - dress in "blue" ???
I bet you look good in black!!.........!
Annie :P
This is a colourful post 8) 8)
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Remember this is a pure assumption based on the green colour of the tunic and it's uniqueness. It could be a complete red herring! or even a white lie.
Brian1
P.S. Assumed you were still in the 'pool by your handle
Brian1
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You can take the woman out of the "pool"
but you can't take the "pool" out of the woman ??? ???
Or something like that !!!
Did you see that 1825 Liverpool Streets ? - now that tugs at the heart strings !!
don't ask me why? maybe it from a past life or somesuch!!
I'll take a look around again tonight and see what I can find - you want anything in particular now? have you been able to refine your research?
Let me know OK?
Annie ;)
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ANNIE!!!!!
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Whaat???
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Just wanted to congratulate you on your 2000th (now 2001st!) posting!
Well done girl! :)
cheers
Paul
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Paul E!
Jeez - you scared the heck out of me!! here I am checking my post - in case you had turned into the Copywrite Editor or something ::) ::) ::) ::)
See what happens when I quit smoking - I now talk like a train instead of smoking like one :P :P :P
But thank you for paying attention!!!!
Annie ;)
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Gosh Brian - I think you're going to have to like the colour green!!
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/media/cigarettecards/soldiers/cigarettesoldier8.htm
This is a book about the 6th Dragoons ! - the cards are from Ogden's Tobbacco Co - Ogdens of course being in Liverpool! (as a matter of fact one whole family of mine worked there )
Cannon, Richard. Historical record of the Sixth Regiment of Dragoon Guards, or the Carabineers: containing an account of the formation of the regiment in 1685 and of its subsequent services to 1839. London : Longman, Orme, 1839. (Historical records of the British Army)
Annie :P
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Hi Annie,
Just couldn't keep away.
Something to distract me in my present situation!
Like to add my congratulations on reaching over 2000 postings from a mere century man.
Well done.
Brian
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Me again Annie,
Thought I should point you towards my postings in the Galway section of Ireland under Cordial so you can see were the 44th Foot and Rifle Brigade questions originated.
There are also a number of postings in the emigrants section to Australia under Henry and William Dowling. I had some real help in this section unearthing the Dowlings from down under.
Roots Chat has also helped me get back to 1645 with the help of Peter Bennett in the Cheshire section under Pugh's who are another line of my family I am researching. What a wonderfully helpful site this is!
Brian1
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Hi Brian!
I'll take a look and see! maybe something will help us a bit more - with with the military stuff ! everybody here is so cool! I love it! people seem to go above and beyond - and that is so unusual these days!!
Thanks for your congrats!
Annie
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Brian
This is the museum of Military Music ! did you try there yet?
http://www.armymuseums.org.uk/amot-search/default.asp?Category=Amot&Service=Museum-Display&reference=0000000110
Royal Military School of Music at Kneller Hall in Twickenham.
http://www.army.mod.uk/music/kneller_hall/history_of_kneller_hall.htm
I don't know if they would have gone to the School of Music at the time your relatives were bandmasters - but it's worth a try!
Annie
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Hi Annie,
Thanks again for the pointers. Will try them but I suspect they would not have gone to a Military Music School.
Regards
Brian1
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Hi Annie,
Kneller Hall did not open its doors until 1857 and by that time both of the Cordials had been discharged.
Brian1
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Hi Brian
I came across this and thought you might find some similarities to your Cordials!!
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/kevinasplin/norman.html
Annie ::)
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Hi Annie,
Thanks for the info. I have just scanned through it briefly and will peruse it in greater detail later.
I have located Henry Cordial in the 44th Foot muster roll and sent off for his service record to the National Archives in Kew. They reckon they have a 10 day turn around so I should know a great deal more about him shortly and his movements.
Brian1
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Hi Annie,
Have received the army record from the National Archive for Henry Cordial of 44th foot and Rifle Brigade. He joined in 1817.
Makes fascinating reading even down to how many pieces of army clothing he was issued and all his postings to the Ionic Isles ( Greece ). Malta, Bermuda and Halifax Nova Scotia. One thing records in those days did not have was anything to do with his family. No marriage, birth of children etc.
His promotions to Corporal and then Sergeant as well as his demotion to private ( suspected intemperance ).
Thanks for your help
Brian
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Wow! Brian
How cool is that ? did his postings match up with what we read about?
Shame about no family stuff - that really would have been a bonus!
Although you have found out a lot about the family already!
Hope everything is OK with you!
Annie
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Hi Brian,
Glad to hear your news ;D you mentioned that he was in Malta, but didn't say when.
The National Archives of Malta have an interesting web page with a link to The Malta Family History web-site which has some interesting stuff about the Army in Malta from the time you may be talking about
http://www.libraries-archives.gov.mt/nam/ser_family_history.htm
Wendi
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Hi Wendi,
Thanks for the info. Will check this out immediately and let you know how I get on.
Brian
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Hi Wendi,
Found an absolutely fascinating site which has a veritable mine of information on all troop movements, garrisons, marriages, deaths and births in Malta.
Try looking at:
http://website.lineone.net/~stephaniebidmead/other%20sites.htm
Regards
Brian
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That's the one ;)
with a link to The Malta Family History web-site
It's great isn't it ;D I am hugely indebted to them, as after years of hunting found my GGGrandparent's married in Malta in 1867, only because they had recorded it on the site. I'm sure I'd have never found it without that site.
Hope your as lucky as I was, All the best
Wendi
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Hi Wendi,
Not quite as lucky as you, but they did give me the movements of the Rifle Brigade ( he had tranfered from 44th foot at this time ) in and out of Malta, but nothing related to a birth on the island I was looking for.
Brian
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Owh, sorry Brian :( but at least you know when he was there now, and hey, don't forget, the GRO has a whole specific department just for Oversea's BMD. I found them helpful too.
All best wishes
Wendi
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Hi Wendi,
Chanced upon the Overseas section of www.1837online and I managed to get all of the births for this family throughout the postings for Hny Cordial.
Lucky Strike as they say.
Brian
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Yahoo Brian, way to go, hope it leads you on to many new things.
Result!!!!
Many good wishes
Wendi