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Hi ,
Seeking help with the Burial site of the above .
Born June 3rd 1808 Middlesex and married Mary Ann Moore in 1830.
They emigrated on the ship "London" in 1842.
He died 5th March 1855 in Wellington but I can't find his grave in any of the Wellington cemetaries .
His daughter and my Great Great Grandmother Sarah Matilda Jenkins ( nee Barratt ) is buried in Bolton Street Cemetary .
I am in Wellington this week and would like to get a photo of the headstones .
Any help would be much apreciated .
cheers
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Hi Merg,
Welcome to Rootschat. I have asked the Moderators to move this to the Main Board, where it will be seen. Unfortunately, you have posted this on the Completed Request Board.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi,
He isn’t listed as being interred at Karoo Cemetery so I suspect he might also be in Bolton. Much of that cemetery was excavated for the motorway but there is a register of those who were moved.
Spades
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It was too late to do a search last night when I came across this, but I did wonder if he could be in a Churchyard.
Cheers
KHP
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There is a small early cemetery called the Mount Street Cemetery in Wellington. Just going out so no time to search for it so I am not sure where the burials there are listed.
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Hi Merg
The Mount Street Cemetery is the old Catholic Cemetery for Wellington. Can't see a record of his burial there.
Here's a link for Bolton Street Cemetery ... which gives information about the cemetery's history ... the moving of the cemetery, disinterments etc. ... and also (at bottom of page), a list of burials.
Again, can't see his name there, but the information may be of interest to you if you have other relatives buried there.
https://archivesonline.wcc.govt.nz/nodes/view/101914
~ Lu
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He died 5th March 1855 in Wellington but I can't find his grave in any of the Wellington cemetaries .
Hi again
* Do you have a copy of his death record (NZ BDM printout copy of his death record ) ?
It should at least state the name of the minister of religion who officiated at his burial service.
Assuming your man was of the Anglican (Church of England) faith, then it's possible there may be a record amongst those of the Anglican church in Wellington.
~ Lu
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He died 5th March 1855 in Wellington but I can't find his grave in any of the Wellington cemetaries .
Hi Merg
Can I ask please, where did the info > date and place > for this death come from ?
There doesn't seem to be a record of it showing on the NZ BDM (online) site, under "BARRATT" Or "BARRETT" ???
* Where in Wellington (area) did your man live ??
~ Lu
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Hi Merg
On looking further for you, it was only when I saw that William BARRATT's "widow" Mary Ann, had married one William Stovel FOOTE (FOOT) in 1861 that I recalled we'd had previous BARRATT searches on here. ;D
I'll post this link for your interest (because it shows, at the time of searching, that nothing had been found in respect of the death of this William BARRATT).
Please note ... the enquiry was for William BARRETT ... but has to do with eliminating "BARRETT" from a search for "William BARRATT"
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=795100.msg6517427#msg6517427
I think there may also be other previous searches for BARRATT - will check for those now.
~ Lu
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=432946.0
Merg ... ^ above link is to a lengthy thread which I worked on many years back ... it relates to your (BARRATT) JENKINS family. May be helpful to you ? (- if you haven't already read through it.)
~ Lu
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Is this your William Barratt?
Information is from the Petone Settlers Museum database.
If so it suggests that he was buried in St Paul's churchyard - St Pauls church, Thorndon, Wellington?
http://www.huttcity.govt.nz/Leisure--Culture/Museums-and-galleries/Our-museums/petone-settlers-data/DisplayPerson/?Id=100033&SearchString=barratt&SearchYear=&Page=1
TPB
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Hi TPB
Yes, it is the same man who is being sought. Note that the death year given there is 1859 (rather than 1855 quoted in post number 1 here).
This information apparently comes from the book (or compiled notes ) by Peggy Crawford (the lady mentioned in the lengthy thread I gave the link to.)
There are also 156 or so "trees" published at the ancestry website for the William BARRATT family - how many containing information copied from similar trees, is not known. Many though appear to give the March 1855 date.
There is some speculation too, as to whether Mary Ann BARRATT was in fact a "widow" at the time of her 2nd marriage (1861) ... and a query about William BARRATT having given permission for a daughter to marry at about the same time (1860-61) ???
Who knows what info is correct and whether "official" records have been viewed in order to obtain answers to some of these questions ???
~ Lu
Edit to correct text.
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https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22542634?search%5Bpath%5D=items&search%5Btext%5D=st+Pauls+Wellington+%2B+death+registers
Hi Merg
Above is a link to the National Library of New Zealand (NATLIB).
You will see that they have information (records / indexes) available which pertain to St. Paul's Anglican Church in Wellington - and particularly to "Deaths/burials from 1840".
You can make an enquiry to the "Ask a Librarian" service they offer (see link at top of their webpage.
You should ask if they could check the St Paul's death or burial register from say 1854 to 1861 for William BARRATT ... or BARRETT (both spellings). It should be an easy enough lookup for them as I think that information is already indexed.
[Elsewhere I saw noted that the BARRATT family did have a connection to St. Paul's, Wellington - children married there / baptisms or some such. ]
~ Lu
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=432946.0
Merg ... ^ above link is to a lengthy thread which I worked on many years back ... it relates to your (BARRATT) JENKINS family. May be helpful to you ? (- if you haven't already read through it.)
~ Lu
That was my thread, Lu - I hope I'm not still haunting your dreams ;D
I have still not found William Barratt under any combination of names in the BMD indexes and have had on my to-do list for the last year ,another thorough search of the fiche at the library,so will post on here if I find him.
Spades very kindly looked up an inquest for me a while ago - it is now available online- of a William Barrett,who died in Christchurch.I am reasonably sure this is William.So probably buried in Christchurch.
May I ask,merg where you managed to find all the additional christian names ? not from Peggy's book,that's for sure ::)
I don't know if you are aware,but there is a memorial plaque on a seat in Bolton Street Memorial park,Wellington.Your own photo of that would be something to take home.
Most of the Barratt trees on Ancestry are largely fiction,sorry to say :(
Barbara
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Here is a link to the Inquest report:
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE41020865
Barbara
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Hi Barbara
No, you're not still "haunting my dreams". ;D
Enjoyed your lengthy thread all those years ago ...and learned a lot on that journey. ;)
Was hoping that you'd pop into this thread and that you might have updates on clan BARRATT or other information you could share here to assist with this enquiry.
Great that the William BARRETT inquest is now available to view online. My poor eyes have had quite enough reading for one day (that blue paper too, does my head in !) ;D
But the part I did stumble upon - penultimate page of inquest report - was the evidence given by Police Inspector Edward William SEGAR* ?
He had known BARRETT for some 6 years - and said he was a "painter" (same occupation as your Wm. BARRATT). Another witness had also known the "BARRETT" family in Wellington although this had been struck through and replaced with Hawkes Bay. Another said BARRETT was also known as "John" (- any a.k.a. mention raises suspicion - what was this fella hiding ?? )
And I'm sure you have pored over this report long and hard, Barbara ... and yes, I'm inclined to agree that William BARRETT is more than likely your missing William BARRATT. :)
~ Lu
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Hi
Apologies for the late posting ...still getting my head around the fact that William didn't die in 1855 in Wellington .Fortunately I reside in Christchurch and will chase this line of enquiry up .
I did wondered where that plaque was ...I assumed it was at Bolton Street cemetary and as I intend to visit Sarah's grave I thought I would find this also.
I am the daughter of that "Jenkins lady" in Blenheim who sadly has passed , so I have all of your conversations in the genealogy files.
On another note I note that on alot of the other family tree sites that my Jenkins family have incorrectly added John Bumby Jenkins (1842 ) as Sarah Matilda Duckworth (nee Barratt) which is frustrating
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Is this your William Barratt?
Information is from the Petone Settlers Museum database.
If so it suggests that he was buried in St Paul's churchyard - St Pauls church, Thorndon, Wellington?
Thanks for this
It most certainly does look like him
Lots of great information...I should have registered here a long time ago :)
http://www.huttcity.govt.nz/Leisure--Culture/Museums-and-galleries/Our-museums/petone-settlers-data/DisplayPerson/?Id=100033&SearchString=barratt&SearchYear=&Page=1
TPB
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Yes Lu I have read that inquest inside out and upside down ;D It raises more questions than it answers.Did the whole family move South at the same time and William was working in Christchurch because he couldn't find any elsewhere ,or had he just gone AWOL ? habitually drunk,hmmm? Hawkes Bay is a puzzle,though Mary Ann did end up there.What a life of worry that poor woman must have endured.
I seem to remember something in a newspaper about unclaimed letters,but can't lay my hands on it.I've mentioned it in my "genealogy diary" so it must be somewhere.I'll look tomorrow.
Sorry to hear about your Mum,merg -she was a great help to me when not much was available online.That explains why I haven't heard from her.I meant to email during lockdown.
I too ,kept all our correspondence.You have my email address,so feel free to ask if there's anything I can help with :)
I thought the John Bumby Jenkins version was particularly entertaining -a well documented fellow,it wouldn't have been hard to check the facts.Other sites have endowed him with parents and 18 children. I thought about enlightening them ,but that has had no positive effect in the past,so I don't bother now.
I haven't followed up the Barratts recently,but I'm still diving into the Jenkins family now and then.
My sister has just moved to Christchurch.I was just giving her a day or two to unpack before sending her on a "mission" to find William's grave ;D - you'll know more about where to look - I'd be grateful if you'd let me know if you find him.I suspect he may have been in an unmarked grave though.
Barbara
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OK - I'm addicted,couldn't wait until tomorrow to look ???
Not the unclaimed letters,but I found this quite recently,last year,I think.
Barbara
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Thanks Barbara
Oh dear ...I thought that I had emailed you after Mum's passing but with the confusion I may not have.
Not very nice reading that William was addicted to drink.
I intend to check out St Paul's churchyard whilst in Wellibgron in the Hope that Peggy Crawford is correct .
Failing that I will search Barbados St cemetery however the headstones in our cemeteries have suffered with the Earthquakes and also alot of the cemetery was lost due to Barbadoes street cutting into it ...apparently.
Yeah I nearly bought John and Sarah's marraige certificate to confirm the correct John Jenkins and then I saw that you had acquired it already and that the ages matched.
Oddly Mum's Jenkins cousins are the family on geni with John Bumby Jenkins applied incorrectly.
I assume you know that there was a family unveiling of poor old Mary Ann Moore's grave at poranghue?
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That's perfectly understandable merg.
So far I haven't found anything in Peggy's book to disagree with,just things she couldn't find at the time.I read about Porongahau in there.
I'll be interested to know what you discover at St Pauls :)
Don't buy any certs without checking with me first - I have a few,which may be an understatement !
(unless you want to do it yourself, of course)
I think perhaps your Mum's cousins have taken Ancestry's hints as fact and then the Copiers Club have got into full swing.
I have no trees on Ancestry for that reason -it has taken me many hours to get this far to have it swiped by name collectors.
Not that I haven't enjoyed it ;D
Good luck with your trip to Wellington.
Barbara
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Thanks Barbara
Do you have a copy of Peggy's book?
There is a copy at the Canterbury University library.
I have a tree on familysearch and have had to remove quite a few copiers from my tree.
I actually got quite excited at one stage when the incorrect family was attached to my Henderson clan and I ended up related to Royalty.
I will let you know what I find at St Paul's , I'm expecting alot of unmarked graves however.
Nicci
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I do have a copy of Peggy's book,though I was at first traipsing back and forth to the library.I'd have bought one but they are scarce.
I tracked her down and wrote to her with my findings.
We exchanged quite a few emails,then later,she sent me a signed copy of her book ,originally her mother's, to thank me for solving the Sarah mystery and for putting in all the hard work she knew it must have been.
I was really touched :)
Barbara
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Hi there ,
No joy at the Barbadoes cemetery.
I rather naively assumed that the plot 26b that has been entered on the findagrave website by "Southern man " as William's burial would be marked on the cemetery map.
However the sections only reach 19 in number. ::)
I've since found out that the map at the cemetery doesn't relate to the records held at the library.
Which is where I will head to next .
I was trolling back through the inquest and thought I would try to find this other William (aka John) from the Hawkes Bay but cannot find any evidence of a Barratt on the census/voter lists for the Hawkes bay .
I'm very frustrated....and have had no word from the National Archives re my query either .
Stumped ????
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That's disappointing Nicci
I wonder if contacting the "Southern man" would explain why he recorded the burial as plot 26b.
I had intended to email you when I have a minute this week,so will re-read the inquest report to see if I can find anything different.
Though,like you,I have no knowledge of a Barratt in the Hawkes Bay apart from William and Mary Ann's daughter,Sophia, who married Robert Craill.
Barbara
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Hi
I have sent a message through to Southern Man ...I might try to get to the library this weekend .