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Title: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: KateW on Sunday 16 May 21 17:31 BST (UK)
*Now Completed, many thanks*

Please could I request a look up to find 1901 Census details for my mum’s grandmother (for my mum who is 90)
Her name was Violet Florence Garner, date of birth 17 September 1880, birthplace Wolverton, Bucks.
I’d be very grateful if anyone could find her in 1901.
If it helps, her father was William Garner, coach maker/body builder and mother was Elizabeth Emma, living in Wolverton.
With thanks.
KateW.
Title: Re: 2901 Census look up request please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 16 May 21 17:35 BST (UK)
1901 census Midland Station Sheaf Street Sheffield Yorkshire.

RG13 Piece 4368 Folio 64 Page 36

Harry Burgon   34
Emily Burgon   33
Darel Burgon   5
Susannah Howard   54
Mary E Fisher   31
Nellie Spinkins   21
Jane A Cooke   22
Maude Danille   20
Edith Wright   20
Amy Wallis   24
Annie Simpe   24
Violet F Garner   20 born Wilston, Berkshire. Attendant.
Elizth Houston   27
Mable Lomkin   25
Mary Mason   19
Vate Cloudertey   19

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TZ-18S

Sandra
Title: Re: 2901 Census look up request please.
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 16 May 21 17:46 BST (UK)
She is with husband on 1939 register--just for info.

Also your post heading--need to wait 900 years for that census :)

John
Title: Re: 2901 Census look up request please.
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 16 May 21 17:52 BST (UK)
Birth registered as Violetta  :)

GARNER, VIOLETTA  FLORENCE     mmn AUDLEY 
GRO Reference: 1880  Dec Quarter in POTTERSPURY  Volume 03B  Page 27
Title: Re: 2901 Census look up request please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 16 May 21 17:54 BST (UK)

England Select Marriages - Name:   Violet Florence Garner 1881 and aged 22 years

Marriage Date 01 Aug 1903 Wolverton, Buckingham.
Father William Garner
Spouse Frederick Adams

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: River Tyne Lass on Sunday 16 May 21 18:16 BST (UK)

http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk

I can't get full link to attach but marriage for Violet in 1903 mentioned previous post was at St George the Martyr, Wolverton, according to Marriage Locator.
Title: Re: 2901 Census look up request please.
Post by: KateW on Sunday 16 May 21 18:17 BST (UK)
She is with husband on 1939 register--just for info.

Also your post heading--need to wait 900 years for that census :)


John

Thank you John, fat fingers I think, I’ve modified the date 🙄
Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: KateW on Sunday 16 May 21 18:18 BST (UK)

http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk

I can't get full link to attach but marriage for Violet in 1903 mentioned previous post was at St George the Martyr, Wolverton, according to Marriage Locator.


Thank you very much for this information.
Title: Re: 2901 Census look up request please.
Post by: KateW on Sunday 16 May 21 18:29 BST (UK)
1901 census Midland Station Sheaf Street Sheffield Yorkshire.

RG13 Piece 4368 Folio 64 Page 36

Harry Burgon   34
Emily Burgon   33
Darel Burgon   5
Susannah Howard   54
Mary E Fisher   31
Nellie Spinkins   21
Jane A Cooke   22
Maude Danille   20
Edith Wright   20
Amy Wallis   24
Annie Simpe   24
Violet F Garner   20 born Wilston, Berkshire. Attendant.
Elizth Houston   27
Mable Lomkin   25
Mary Mason   19
Vate Cloudertey   19

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TZ-18S

Sandra

Thank you Sandra.
Is there any indication as to the address/residence? Are all these people living together?
Violet’s family were all railway workers so it seems possible that it could be our Violet, although the birth place is wrong. Do you think Wilston, Berks and Wolverton, Bucks may have been confused in the reading?
Thanks KateW.
Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: River Tyne Lass on Sunday 16 May 21 18:33 BST (UK)
You are welcome Kate. :)
Title: Re: 2901 Census look up request please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 16 May 21 18:59 BST (UK)
1901 census Midland Station Sheaf Street Sheffield Yorkshire.

RG13 Piece 4368 Folio 64 Page 36

Harry Burgon   34
Emily Burgon   33
Darel Burgon   5
Susannah Howard   54
Mary E Fisher   31
Nellie Spinkins   21
Jane A Cooke   22
Maude Danille   20
Edith Wright   20
Amy Wallis   24
Annie Simpe   24
Violet F Garner   20 born Wilston, Berkshire. Attendant.
Elizth Houston   27
Mable Lomkin   25
Mary Mason   19
Vate Cloudertey   19

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TZ-18S

Sandra

Thank you Sandra.
Is there any indication as to the address/residence? Are all these people living together?
Violet’s family were all railway workers so it seems possible that it could be our Violet, although the birth place is wrong. Do you think Wilston, Berks and Wolverton, Bucks may have been confused in the reading?
Thanks KateW.

Places of birth can get distorted which is probably what happened here. Midland Station Sheaf Street Sheffield Yorkshire would probably be the railway station.

https://www.eastmidlandsrailway.co.uk/trains-stations/at-the-station/station-facilities/shf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_station

Sandra
Title: Re: 2901 Census look up request please.
Post by: KateW on Sunday 16 May 21 19:13 BST (UK)
Birth registered as Violetta  :)

GARNER, VIOLETTA  FLORENCE     mmn AUDLEY 
GRO Reference: 1880  Dec Quarter in POTTERSPURY  Volume 03B  Page 27

Thank you for this rosie99.
I wonder if you know what ‘mmn’ means with the name Audley? I wondered if it was ‘mother’s maiden name’. For the record, her mother’s maiden name was Case but her paternal grandmother was Audley so I’m a bit confused.

Thanks for looking up the reference though.
Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 16 May 21 19:15 BST (UK)


mmn -- mothers maiden name.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: Comberton on Sunday 16 May 21 19:26 BST (UK)
1901 census
The first 4 people are a separate household. Mary E Fisher/Fish on FMPast is manageress of a coffee house at Midland Station, Sheaf Street, Sheffield. Violet is a refreshment attendant. Others are attendants or servants.
Birth place looks like Birks Wiloton
Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: KateW on Sunday 16 May 21 19:32 BST (UK)


mmn -- mothers maiden name.

Sandra


Thanks Sandra
I really am confused now.
Violet’s mother was Elizabeth Emma Case. I have great details written in the family bible. There is her marriage to William Garner and the birth of all her eight children including Violet Florence. I’m wondering if Violet’s father William, (whose own mother was an Audley)  when registering his daughter’s birth was asked ‘Mother’s maiden name?’ and misunderstood and gave his own mother’s maiden name. A bit stupid but possible and would explain the mistake.
Thanks I be again for your time looking for me.
Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: Comberton on Sunday 16 May 21 19:56 BST (UK)
Marriage
1st August 1903 St George, Wolverton
Frederick Adams 30 bachelor machinist Wolverton Robert Adams carpenter
Violet Florence Garner 22 spinster Wolverton William Garner coach maker
by banns
witnesses William Jessie Brown & Emily Rachel Garner
transcription only on FMPast
Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 16 May 21 22:50 BST (UK)
Marriage
1st August 1903 St George, Wolverton
Frederick Adams 30 bachelor machinist Wolverton Robert Adams carpenter
Violet Florence Garner 22 spinster Wolverton William Garner coach maker
by banns
witnesses William Jessie Brown & Emily Rachel Garner
transcription only on FMPast

GARNER, EMILY  RACHEL     mmn CASE 
GRO Reference: 1882  S Quarter in POTTERSPURY  Volume 03B  Page 31

Elizabeth Emma Case
Marriage    09 Jul 1865 Liverpool, Lancaster, England
Father:    John Case
Spouse:    William Garner
Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: River Tyne Lass on Sunday 16 May 21 23:11 BST (UK)
Kate, I think that sounds quite plausible that there was just a misunderstanding about maiden name. 
I can imagine it might have felt a bit stressful having to go into an 'official' environment and give information at that time and mistakes might have been more commonplace.  I think  many of the population were illiterate back then too and probably anything to do with officialdom might have felt more daunting experience for many. 





Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: KateW on Monday 17 May 21 07:41 BST (UK)
Marriage
1st August 1903 St George, Wolverton
Frederick Adams 30 bachelor machinist Wolverton Robert Adams carpenter
Violet Florence Garner 22 spinster Wolverton William Garner coach maker
by banns
witnesses William Jessie Brown & Emily Rachel Garner
transcription only on FMPast
Thank you very much for this information.
Kate.
Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: KateW on Monday 17 May 21 07:44 BST (UK)
Kate, I think that sounds quite plausible that there was just a misunderstanding about maiden name. 
I can imagine it might have felt a bit stressful having to go into an 'official' environment and give information at that time and mistakes might have been more commonplace.  I think  many of the population were illiterate back then too and probably anything to do with officialdom might have felt more daunting experience for many.

I’m happy to read this, it was what I was thinking too.

Thank you so much for your help.
Kate.
Title: Re: 1901 Census look up request please.
Post by: KateW on Monday 17 May 21 07:47 BST (UK)
Thank you all for your help and for taking the time to look up information for me. I’ve given mum lots to read through and she’s delighted. It’s also brought back many memories of her grandmother and great aunts.
This is such a helpful group 👍.