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Title: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Bellevue on Monday 17 May 21 11:31 BST (UK)
Hi,
I am looking for more info on James Byrne, who per census records was born c.1868 in ireland. Here he is 1900 in California with his wife Margaret and children
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9G4-RXH

He died and Margaret remarried, here she is in 1910
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVGQ-Y3S

I have come across this grave which is a possiblilty for James Byrne in 1903
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/80002804/james-byrne
One of the photos has the surnames Weber(wifes second marriage) Amend (one of his daughters married name was Amend)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K98Y-HPJ
It is difficult to read the age of death but it does say he was from Dublin.

I would like to find when James Byrne came to the USA and parents if possible but as he was born in Ireland he may have come over by himself.

His wifes parents were William and Mary Duggan and she was born in Massachusetts as per census records.
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 17 May 21 11:55 BST (UK)


I have come across this grave which is a possiblilty for James Byrne in 1903
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/80002804/james-byrne


The date on the stone is transcribed as 30 April 1902

Death notice in the The San Francisco Call San Francisco, California
01 May 1902, Thu    Page 13 states he was 75 years old  :-\
So born 1825.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77839486/obituary-for-james-byrne-aged-75/

Sandra
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Bellevue on Monday 17 May 21 11:58 BST (UK)


I have come across this grave which is a possiblilty for James Byrne in 1903
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/80002804/james-byrne


The date on the stone is transcribed as 30 April 1902

Death notice in the The San Francisco Call San Francisco, California
01 May 1902, Thu    Page 13 states he was 75 years old  :-\
So born 1825.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77839486/obituary-for-james-byrne-aged-75/

Sandra

Ya, thats what I was thinking when I was trying to read the age, I suspected it said 70 something. It also says "single" in the description which confuses things...
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Bellevue on Monday 17 May 21 11:59 BST (UK)


I have come across this grave which is a possiblilty for James Byrne in 1903
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/80002804/james-byrne


The date on the stone is transcribed as 30 April 1902

Death notice in the The San Francisco Call San Francisco, California
01 May 1902, Thu    Page 13 states he was 75 years old  :-\
So born 1825.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77839486/obituary-for-james-byrne-aged-75/

Sandra

I presume the obit gives no further info?
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 17 May 21 12:06 BST (UK)


Have you seen this tree on family search -  says James Burns was born 1842 and Margaton Ann Duggan 1847

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/L4XR-WT7

Sandra
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Bellevue on Monday 17 May 21 12:51 BST (UK)


Have you seen this tree on family search -  says James Burns was born 1842 and Margaton Ann Duggan 1847

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/L4XR-WT7

Sandra

Based on the info in that tree. Its not the same couple
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 17 May 21 14:06 BST (UK)
I have come across this grave which is a possiblilty for James Byrne in 1903
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/80002804/james-byrne

 San Francisco Chronicle
Thursday, May 01, 1902
San Francisco, CA
Page: 14
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Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Bellevue on Monday 17 May 21 14:48 BST (UK)
Well that solves that then. Thank you RJ.
So the James Byrne on findagrave that I linked to is unrelated to my James Byrne. It's very odd that a photo of that stone with Weber and Amend are attached to that page.
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Genealiza on Monday 17 May 21 15:21 BST (UK)
Amend refers to the following:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/107700661/charles-e-amend

Charles Elmer Amend:  b. Canada, wife Alice
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5F4-SFCK?i=155&cc=1402856&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQKD4-P14S


Maybe someone can pull up Margaret's obit:

Weber refers to the following:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/105548982/margaret-weber
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 17 May 21 15:35 BST (UK)
What I find odd is that James Bryne is buried in plot - G 21 27 2.

Margaret Weber died in 1947. She is buried in plot - G 21 27 2 also.

Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/105548982/margaret-weber

 The San Francisco Examiner
San Francisco, California
12 Sep 1947, Fri    Page 15

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77843968/margaret-weber-obit-1947/

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Margaret's 2nd husband Joseph T Weber died in 1949. He is buried in the same cemetery, but in plot- 2 15 g108

Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/107420816/joseph-t-weber

 The San Francisco Examiner
San Francisco, California
08 May 1949, Sun    Page 31

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77844777/joseph-weber-obit-1949/

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Alice Amend's husband Charles E Amend died in 1948. He is buried in the same cemetery, plot- G 21 27 g1

Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/107700661/charles-e-amend

Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKD4-P14S

That 75-year-old James Byrne seems listed at that cemetery and plot number seems out of place with everything else...very strange?
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 17 May 21 16:01 BST (UK)
Here's a link to the Holy Cross-Colma Cemetery Index. You can do a search by name or by plot. Plot G 21 27 gave lots of names. The dates listed on the results are burial dates. The James Byrne in plot- G 21 27 is listed as with a burial date of 12 July 1902.

https://www.sfgenealogy.org/php/cemetery/cemeteryindex.php
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Genealiza on Monday 17 May 21 16:17 BST (UK)
James Byrne:  d. Jul 1902

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HGC6-FWMM

His address at death is the same as on the 1900 census

Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Genealiza on Monday 17 May 21 16:21 BST (UK)
On the database provided by R J:

Jas Byrne, buried 1 May 1902
Sec F
Row 8
Area 19
Grave 2
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Genealiza on Monday 17 May 21 16:36 BST (UK)
Obituary:  The San Francisco Call
                11 July 1902
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Bellevue on Monday 17 May 21 17:04 BST (UK)
Great work guys, thanks.
Very confusing that his wife went into the plot with the other seemingly unrelated, 75 year old, James Byrne. Very odd. A mix up of some sort?

Going by the obit of the real James Byrne that I am looking for - he has aged by 12 years. He was down as 32 years in 1900. If he truly was closer to 46 years then thats a pity, I thought I might be able to catch him in the Irish civil records starting 1864.
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Genealiza on Monday 17 May 21 17:08 BST (UK)
No, her memorial has the correct grave site location.  The James who dies in Apr has the wrong gravesite information.  I have entered a memorial for James and am trying to get the photo of the 3 names moved to the correct memorial.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/227223915/james-byrne
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Bellevue on Monday 17 May 21 17:13 BST (UK)
No, her memorial has the correct grave site location.  The James who dies in Apr has the wrong gravesite information.  I have entered a memorial for James and am trying to get the photo of the 3 names moved to the correct memorial.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/227223915/james-byrne

Ah ok, so that was just a findagrave mix up then.
Thanks
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Genealiza on Tuesday 18 May 21 12:39 BST (UK)
Looks like everything has been straightened out on the findagrave memorial.
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Bellevue on Tuesday 18 May 21 13:15 BST (UK)
Looks like everything has been straightened out on the findagrave memorial.

Great work.

I dont seem to be able to add additional remarks in my OP but in any case its all in the thread.

Next step would be trying to find immigration documents I suppose unless I can get a death cert with parents names on it perhaps?

Going by the 1900 census it states he emigrated to the USA in 1885.
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Bellevue on Tuesday 18 May 21 13:23 BST (UK)
hmm, ok, looks like I'm out of luck regards marriage or death certs pre 1906 for San Francisco.
So just the immigration documents then
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: RJ137 on Tuesday 18 May 21 15:53 BST (UK)
Looks like everything has been straightened out on the findagrave memorial.

Just to confirm everything that has been found. The actual burial records for Holy Cross Cemetery are available online.

The Register of Interments has James Byrne as living at 318 Fern Ave.; died July 9, 1902; age- 49 yrs 10 mos 29 days; interred in plot  G 21 27 1; purchaser was Maggie Byrne on July 11, 1902.

Go to page 4201
Line: 8

https://www.sfgenealogy.org/php/holycross/view.php

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Mortuary Record

Image 161
Line: 3

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9V4-HF7D?i=160
Title: Re: James Byrne and Margaret Duggan, California
Post by: Bellevue on Tuesday 18 May 21 16:55 BST (UK)
Thanks.

He's getting a bit older with every record!

Definately born mid 1850's, Ireland  anyway.