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Title: Bishops, Dublin (Completed, with thanks)
Post by: Galium on Monday 17 May 21 14:53 BST (UK)
Is this a place, a church?

It is mentioned in this piece:
http://www.thebinnsfamily.org.uk/forum/uploads/binns-obit.pdf

 about the Binns family of Dublin as the place that William Binns married Jane Connor, but I can't find any modern reference to it.
 
Does anybody know of it?

Title: Re: Bishops, Dublin
Post by: LH on Monday 17 May 21 20:02 BST (UK)
Hi

The free and secure ‘Church Records’ section of www.irishgenealogy.ie has several Binns records, beginning in the 1600s.

There is a Jonathon Binns, age 67 of this parish (St Mark’s) buried 28 Nov 1823 - so born c. 1756.

There is also mention of a Mrs Binns ‘of Mark’s Alley’ being interred in the Vicar’s Bawn of St Patrick’s on 20 May 1795.  (St Patricks is right beside Dame Street)
See Page 86:-

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=patricks-prs2-86

Happy hunting




Title: Re: Bishops, Dublin
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 17 May 21 20:40 BST (UK)
Is this a place, a church?

Could it be Bishop's House ?
It may be a mis-transcription of a place.
Title: Re: Bishops, Dublin
Post by: LH on Monday 17 May 21 22:10 BST (UK)
Hi

Also on irishgenealogy.ie is the 14 Apr 1782 baptism of a Jonathon, son of Jonathon and Ellinor Binns at the Roman Catholic Pro Cathedral, Dublin. 

Do you know which religion your Binns were.

Regards

Title: Re: Bishops, Dublin
Post by: LH on Monday 17 May 21 22:17 BST (UK)
See the article below on John Binns (died 1804) and his brother Jonathon Binns who is said to have had 32 children:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Binns_(Irish_politician)

A number of similarities to your W Binns family history account of 1860.

Regards
Title: Re: Bishops, Dublin
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 17 May 21 22:58 BST (UK)
See the article below on John Binns (died 1804) and his brother Jonathon Binns who is said to have had 32 children:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Binns_(Irish_politician)

A number of similarities to your W Binns family history account of 1860.

Regards

Was this the same John Binns in "Dictionary of Irish Biography"?
https://www.dib.ie/index.php/biography/binns-john-a0673
His parents belonged to Anglican and Moravian churches.
Title: Re: Bishops, Dublin
Post by: Galium on Tuesday 18 May 21 07:03 BST (UK)
Many thanks for your replies, both of you. Some interesting reading there. 

Jane Connor was a sister of my ancestor - the Connors belonged to the Moravian Church, and she and William Binns are both buried in Whitechurch Moravian Cemetery in Dublin.  I wasn't sure whether William was  a Moravian before they married, but it looks as though he would have been, so perhaps 'Bishops' refers to a Moravian establishment off some kind.

I don't know whether, in Ireland in 1818, they would have had to marry officially in the Anglican Church?
Title: Re: Bishops, Dublin
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 18 May 21 07:23 BST (UK)
The Moravian Church was on Bishop Street.
http://homepage.eircom.net/~seanjmurphy/epubs/moravian.pdf



Title: Re: Bishops, Dublin
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 18 May 21 07:29 BST (UK)
There are references to John Beck Holmes, Moravian Bishop , Dublin.
The wiki source  link doesn’t work but you can just search.
Title: Re: Bishops, Dublin
Post by: Galium on Tuesday 18 May 21 08:28 BST (UK)
Thank you Heywood  :) . I don't know why my searching didn't turn that one up (shows that it's always a good idea to ask for help if you can't find something). 
Anyway, that answers my original question, and I also see a possible aunt to Jane among the burial records, whom I didn't know about.

My thanks again, to all of you.
Title: Re: Bishops, Dublin (Completed, with thanks)
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 18 May 21 10:23 BST (UK)
Oh that’s good news  :)
Title: Re: Bishops, Dublin
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 18 May 21 14:12 BST (UK)
I don't know whether, in Ireland in 1818, they would have had to marry officially in the Anglican Church?

I don't know about Protestant Dissenters but a Catholic was allowed to marry in a Catholic church as long as s/he married another Catholic. A wedding between a Catholic and a member of Church of Ireland had to be an Anglican ceremony.