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Title: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: springer5 on Thursday 20 May 21 09:50 BST (UK)
Good Morning,

My irish ancestors came over to London sometime in the early 1800s, living in the Shoreditch area in the early to mid 1800s. I have found Jememiah Murphy as a witness to my 3 x great grandfather Daniel Murphy marriage to Bridget Quill in 1860 at St Marys Catholic Chuch Moorfields, Its the first time I have come across Jeremiah and would like some help finding him, the only address I have for him is 5, York Place, I'm guessing its in Hoxton,?

Many Thanks in advance

thanks in advance
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: heywood on Thursday 20 May 21 10:07 BST (UK)
Do you have Daniel in earlier censuses?
Is there a brother Jeremiah perhaps?
What was Danielís fatherís name and occupation?
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 20 May 21 10:09 BST (UK)
There were at least 12 London streets named York Place:
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 20 May 21 10:10 BST (UK)
1851

something like White Head (or Hand) Place, Poplar

all born Cork, Ireland

Jermiah Murphy   62.  labourer
Johannah Murphy 55
Mary Murphy   19
Jeremiah Murphy 17 labourer

Everyone else on the census sheet is also  from Cork

Earlier I saw a baptism of Maria MURPHY in February 1831 to Jeremiah Murhpy, mother Johanna O'Neill or Neill.  a sponsor was John O'Neill or Neill but now I cannot find that image to confirm those details and if the O' was there or not.

modified as found the record.  Castletownbere, Cork. Diocesse = Kerry
in Irish,  Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915 on Ancestry

I should have added - the other sponsor was Peter Ha....ington.  Not quite sure exactly
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: heywood on Thursday 20 May 21 10:22 BST (UK)
Is this your Daniel?
1871 661/68/29

Daniel Murphy 35 yrs Labourer b Old Kent Road, Surrey

1881 692/94/40

Daniel Murphy 47 yrs b Peckham
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: springer5 on Thursday 20 May 21 10:37 BST (UK)
hi

yes it is, his father was JOhn Murphy a silk dyer living in shoreditch. on FindMyPast, in the cathoilic baptisms, jeremiah makes another appearance as one of Johns childrens baptisms
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: heywood on Thursday 20 May 21 10:46 BST (UK)
To help others searching, is this him in 1851?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGNF-8HP
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: heywood on Thursday 20 May 21 11:00 BST (UK)
There were at least 12 London streets named York Place:

The Murphy parents, John and Mary A, together with Bridget Murphy Ďsister in lawí and her new baby are living at 5 York Place in 1861 239/36/21

Presumably, this is Bridget Quill as Daniel is shown elsewhere.

Is that the reference for York Place or do you mean Jeremiah was living there from the record you have?
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: springer5 on Thursday 20 May 21 11:30 BST (UK)
Yes
John was Daniels father, Mary anne his step mother.
I've no idea why it says sister in law for Bridget, should be daughter in law, and yes this is the address for Jeremiah a year earlier,.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: heywood on Thursday 20 May 21 11:45 BST (UK)
You have answered my next question - was John married twice as there is quite a gap between the children.
I was wondering if Jeremiah was an older son from John.

What year do you have Jeremiah as a Godparent?
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 20 May 21 11:57 BST (UK)
the other witness to Daniel and Bridget is Maria Anna MURPHY. also 5 York St., Hoxton.
Who is she?

there is an 1853 marriage in Southwark between a Jeremiah MURPHY and Maria Anna FLYNN
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: heywood on Thursday 20 May 21 12:07 BST (UK)
She could be Danielís stepmother, Mary Ann Murphy.  :-\
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 20 May 21 12:10 BST (UK)
She could be Danielís stepmother, Mary Ann Murphy.  :-\

But equally she could be a sister or a sister-in-law :-)

Who knew Jeremiah MURPHY was such a common name!

I cannot find the baptism with Jeremiah.  I have found 2 so far and both times it is Joannes MURPHY
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: springer5 on Thursday 20 May 21 12:14 BST (UK)
I can't find at the moment but I've found a Denis Murphy and a Daniel at the baptisms of John and Mary Anns children.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 20 May 21 12:15 BST (UK)
children of Daniel and Bridget nee Quill

Daniel baptism 1869 Southwark    god-father = Joannes MURPHY.   no godmother named
John baptism 1861 Kingsland    god-parents. Joannes MURPHY and Marianne MURPHY
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: heywood on Thursday 20 May 21 12:20 BST (UK)
Yes I agree re Mary Annís status.  I was just offering a suggestion, thatís all.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: springer5 on Thursday 20 May 21 12:20 BST (UK)
Daniel and Bridget had Margaret and Mary Ann too though can't find their baptisms.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: springer5 on Thursday 20 May 21 12:22 BST (UK)
children of Daniel and Bridget nee Quill

Daniel baptism 1869 Southwark    god-father = Joannes MURPHY.   no godmother named
John baptism 1861 Kingsland    god-parents. Joannes MURPHY and Marianne MURPHY

Where did you get the Daniel baptism from? Is it definitely Daniel and Bridgets child?
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: heywood on Thursday 20 May 21 12:23 BST (UK)
These children have a motherís maiden name of Flynn. Perhaps this is the couple you refer to.

1861 314/73/73

Jeremiah Murphy 30 yrs Mariner b St Saviour, Surrey
Mary Murphy 26 yrs
Dennis Murphy   8 yrs
William Murphy   6 yrs
Mary Ann Murphy 3 yrs

All born  St Saviour but dittoed.
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 20 May 21 12:27 BST (UK)
Daniel 1869

Yes, mother is Brigitta Murphy Olim Quill
father Danielis Murphy

its on FindMyPast catholic baptisms
Title: Re: Jeremiah Murphy Shoreditch
Post by: heywood on Thursday 20 May 21 13:10 BST (UK)
Did John Murphy, father to Daniel, marry Mary Ann Hendry?

A witness to that 1836 marriage was Daniel Murphy.

The nephew, Timothy,  in 1851 was born abt 1828.

1841 shows 2 possibilities. One is with Daniel and Mary, both 50 yrs and that Daniel is a Dyer.
1841 706/8/10.
Sadly no Jeremiah.