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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: lavitaebella84 on Wednesday 26 May 21 19:47 BST (UK)
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Hi
I'm looking at Baptisms in St Peters, Liverpool in the year 1829.
Theres an Elizabeth Warton - Parents Isaac & Elizabeth Freeman
John Barlow - Parents John & Mary Clare
John Davies - Parents John & Margaret Brereton
Thomas Blakey - Parents John & Mary Vernon
And many others with different last names to the parents on the same page. I've never seen this before.
I wouldn't have thought so many of these are middle names. Were these children adopted or fostered or where the named 'parents' guardians or even god parents.
Looking forward to hearing some insight.
Thanks
Beverley
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Are you looking at the original record or a transcription?
I didn't think baptism registers showed a surname for the baptised child - it is generally inferred from the surname of the parents.
Pheno
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I can see a transcription on Lancashire opc
1829
Elizabeth Wharton Freeman - parents isaac Freeman and Elizabeth
There is a likely marriage 1818
Isaac Freeman and Elizabeth Walton
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Hi
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2575/images/4426104_00048?treeid=81209673&personid=372017062244&hintid=&queryId=749228b6e1917f99e8206de8356c9b33&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Zpx4024&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=15324465
Unsure if you guys can see with the link. It will not let me post a picture.
Deffo baptisms. Why were the baptised with a different last name to the parents?
Thanks
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Parish register on FS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9Y4-JSP5-X
Here we have some children baptized with second Christian names of Hodgson, Pellet, Blakey
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I have a few in my tree, both male and female, who were given a family surname as a middle name.
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Could be.. I was looking at a John Gostridge Stout and cannot (yet) find any links to any Gostridges in the family. None of the other kids had a middle name and John went by Gostridge never stout which made me think of the adoption/foster route.
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I have quite a lot with Surnames as a middle name. One set of g-g-grandparents gave ten of their eleven children Surnames as middle names, those of various people who married into the family, only my great grandmother had two normal names Sarah Ann. It seems to be quite common in Kent.
Sometimes middle Surnames are those of notable local people, employers or benefactors. You will also find children given the names of battles, very popular after the Boer War.
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Don't know about England, but this way of naming the parents is very common in Irish RC baptism registers. All it means is that the child's surname, e.g. your Elizabeth Wharton, is the father's surname and the surname after the mother's first name is her maiden name. Saved them writing the father's surname twice I guess.
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In the link you gave, every child has no surname, and similarly every father. eg right underneath Elizabeth Wharton (Freeman) is
William - William and Mary Taylor.
As mentioned above, the child's surname is assumed to be the same as the parents, unless indicated otherwise. On the two pages only 24 children have more than one name.
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Could be.. I was looking at a John Gostridge Stout and cannot (yet) find any links to any Gostridges in the family. None of the other kids had a middle name and John went by Gostridge never stout which made me think of the adoption/foster route.
I can only see a transcription but Lancs opc shows him as John Gorstidge Stout (not Gostridge)
Don't know about England, but this way of naming the parents is very common in Irish RC baptism registers. All it means is that the child's surname, e.g. your Elizabeth Wharton, is the father's surname and the surname after the mother's first name is her maiden name. Saved them writing the father's surname twice I guess.
Yes, I thought that at first but as others have shown, that isn’t the case in the other baptisms.
I wonder if he is in other records?
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What you are viewing on Ancestry are the Bishops Transcripts of the Baptism Register
If you search in the Parish Registers
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/2196/
then they are in the usual pre-printed columns format
for your first example the PR shows:
Child's Christian Name Elizabeth Wharton
Parents Names
Christian Isaac & Elizabeth
Surname Freeman
I haven't checked the other examples in the PR.
Boo
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Hi,
Confirmation of Bpt John Gorstidge Stout can be view in Parish Register 13.3.1825
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6257-DBC?i=211&cat=559776
Searching for Gorstidge in any records produces a number of records, evidence the surname exists. The name of Gorstidge does not have to be a relative, it could be honouring a friend.
Grace & John Stout produced other children prior to 1825 and appear to have been married, so JGS
Was not illegitimate.
Spendlove
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Thank you all for your comments and helping me out.
I understand now, makes perfect sense.
Beverley
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Could be.. I was looking at a John Gostridge Stout and cannot (yet) find any links to any Gostridges in the family. None of the other kids had a middle name and John went by Gostridge never stout which made me think of the adoption/foster route.
I can only see a transcription but Lancs opc shows him as John Gorstidge Stout (not Gostridge)
Don't know about England, but this way of naming the parents is very common in Irish RC baptism registers. All it means is that the child's surname, e.g. your Elizabeth Wharton, is the father's surname and the surname after the mother's first name is her maiden name. Saved them writing the father's surname twice I guess.
Yes, I thought that at first but as others have shown, that isn’t the case in the other baptisms.
I wonder if he is in other records?
Spelling mistake ;D he according to someone's tree on Ancestry moved to New Zealand and called himself John Gorstidge if it's the same guy.
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Find my past, National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
has a record for a Jno Garison Stout, born 13 December 1824, mother Grace
No father recorded, so may have died.
He was attending the Blue Coat School, Wavetree, Liverpool admitted 6th January 1834.
The headings are
Name,
Age from certificate of birth or Baptism
Date admitted
Name of parent or other competent person, signed by themselves as resigning the future disposal of the children to the trustees until they reach the age of 21 years witnessed by one of the masters.
Occupation -not given
Residence - cannot read begins with Pet?
The name of the school is given by FindMyPast, cannot see the an actual page where this is written other info have seen so not from a transcript.
His mother may have died September quarter 1847, West Derby
They should both be on 1841 census, though not living together.
Spendlove