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Title: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: markheal on Wednesday 26 May 21 21:17 BST (UK)
Ruth Olivia GOSLING widow in 1939
1895–1974
BIRTH 3 MAR 1895 • Talaton, HONITON, Devon, England
DEATH 16 JUN 1974 • of Rose Cottage, Talaton, HONITON, Devon, England
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On the 1920 passenger list she gives her address as Holcombe Hall, Dawlish, Devon, occupation: Maid.
I wonder if this is also the address [below] of her employer?

On this occasion she appears to be travelling with a Francis FRASER born about 1864 Occupation: Director. address: Grand Hotel, Rugby, Warwickshire.

Can his FRASER family be identified please?
Who is she with on the other New York arrival records?


https://abbymouldings.co.uk/2017/08/05/renovation-holcombe-hall-devon/

https://www.francisfrith.com/rugby/what-was-the-name-of-the-hotel_memory-429931



Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 26 May 21 21:26 BST (UK)
Francis Fraser born where?

Why do you think she was travelling with him?  They have different addresses and the incoming passenger list has a lot of people travelling singly?
Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 26 May 21 21:30 BST (UK)
She also travels out in 1919, first class, with a Christiana Mary Benn (64) and Christine Crowther (18). They are listed as no occupation, whilst Ruth is a maid

Added - NY entry records show Mrs Benn is grandmother to Miss Crowther, and Ruth their employee. Contact is Harrison Benn of Greystone RoI. Mrs Benn's last place of residence in England was Shipley, whilst Ruth was from Talston
Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 26 May 21 21:33 BST (UK)
She went out on 3.11.1920 & returned 24.12.20

What is your connection to her?
Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 26 May 21 21:36 BST (UK)
27 Nov 1919 she went out to NY and is bracketed with

Christiania Mary Benn age 64 no occupation
Christine Crowther age 18 also no occupation
Ruth, the maid
Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 26 May 21 21:40 BST (UK)
On the inwards list in NY, Christine is now Christine Mabel Crowther
Both Benn & Crowther give contact as Mrs Hilda Truscott,  Holcombe Hall

Ruth Olivia is single. Gives nearest relative as Mrs Gosling, Laurel Cottage, Talston, Ottery St Mary


added, sorry Mabel, you must have been adding while I was typing, I didn’t get the red box
Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 26 May 21 21:46 BST (UK)
How can she be a widow in 1939 when she was born & died as Ruth Olivia Gosling? 

Where does she fit into your FH?
Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 26 May 21 21:56 BST (UK)
Definitely not a widow in 1939
Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: shellyesq on Thursday 27 May 21 00:30 BST (UK)
The 2nd page of the 1920 passenger list says her passage was paid by Mrs. Benn and she was going to the Narragansett Hotel in Providence, Rhode Island.
Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: markheal on Thursday 27 May 21 00:53 BST (UK)
She went out on 3.11.1920 & returned 24.12.20

What is your connection to her?

CAROLE
My family have a fond connection with 'Aunty Ruth' as several of my older siblings were evacuated from London bombing to live with her in Talaton, East Devon.  I believe that my mother [an East-End teacher] had arranged this evacuation herself and not as part of the general Government arranged initiative.  This might indicate that Ruth was somehow already known to my mother pre-War.  Whilst I was a post-War baby, I did visit Ruth on a teenage cycle tour of South West England.  My brother recently told that Ruth was much-travelled as Maid/companion to a 'Lady Someone or Other'.
Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: markheal on Thursday 27 May 21 01:02 BST (UK)
How can she be a widow in 1939 when she was born & died as Ruth Olivia Gosling? 

Where does she fit into your FH?
CAROLE
I understood that Ruth GOSLING was married to a man called GOSLING and was a widow, but this may well be a child's invention to explain the absence of any man in the Talaton home.
Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: markheal on Thursday 27 May 21 01:11 BST (UK)
On the inwards list in NY, Christine is now Christine Mabel Crowther
Both Benn & Crowther give contact as Mrs Hilda Truscott,  Holcombe Hall

Ruth Olivia is single. Gives nearest relative as Mrs Gosling, Laurel Cottage, Talston, Ottery St Mary


added, sorry Mabel, you must have been adding while I was typing, I didn’t get the red box

MCKHA
many thanks for finding the Holcombe Hall connection.

All I need to establish now is the correct employer for Ruth and the TRUSCOTT, BENN and CROWTHER families!
Title: Re: Passenger list New York 1920 Ruth Olivia GOSLING. Who does she travel with?
Post by: markheal on Thursday 27 May 21 05:17 BST (UK)
She also travels out in 1919, first class, with a Christiana Mary Benn (64) and Christine Crowther (18). They are listed as no occupation, whilst Ruth is a maid

Added - NY entry records show Mrs Benn is grandmother to Miss Crowther, and Ruth their employee. Contact is Harrison Benn of Greystone RoI. Mrs Benn's last place of residence in England was Shipley, whilst Ruth was from Talston

MABEL
Thank you for finding the correct employer for Ruth which has allowed me to extend the BENN and CROWTHER families.

Christiana Mary Aspinall
1855–1942
BIRTH MAR 1855 • Shipley, BRADFORD, Yorkshire, England
DEATH 20 JAN 1942 • Holcombe Hall, Dawlish, NEWTON ABBOT, Devon, England

MARRIED TO

Harrison Benn
1853–1921
BIRTH MAR 1853 • Clayton Heights, Bradford, HALIFAX, Yorkshire, England
DEATH 24 JUL 1921 • Holcombe Hall, Dawlish, NEWTON ABBOT, Devon, England

5 DAUGHTERS including Mabel  BENN who married
Percy CROWTHER and had the daughter

Christine Mabel Crowther
1901–1985
BIRTH 16 AUG 1901 • Queensbury, Halifax, Yorkshire, England
DEATH 10 MAY 1985 • LEWES, East Sussex, England