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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Tickettyboo on Friday 28 May 21 16:46 BST (UK)
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I have a copy of the NDFHS booklet of transcriptions and can identify the marriage I was looking for.
The booklet says that the original registers are held at the GRO in Scotland and 'seems' to say that Northumberland Archives hold a microfilm copy.
I've tried the Northumberland Archives catalogue and failed to find a mention of this.
Can anyone confirm they do have these?
Thanks
Boo
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According to this 2014 list (downloaded from The National Records of Scotland https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/birth-death-and-marriage-records/irregular-border-marriage-registers )
there was at that time a microfilm copy at Northumberland Archives
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//research/irregular-border-and-scottish-runaway-marriages.pdf
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According to this 2014 list (downloaded from The National Records of Scotland https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/birth-death-and-marriage-records/irregular-border-marriage-registers )
there was at that time a microfilm copy at Northumberland Archives
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//research/irregular-border-and-scottish-runaway-marriages.pdf
Thanks Jennifer.
Even their new updated catalogue confuses me at times :-) I'll email them and check, if they can give me the reference I'll add this to my next document order.
Boo
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Like you I am quite unable to find it in their catalogue.
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Like you I am quite unable to find it in their catalogue.
Well that makes me feel a bit better :-)
I've just realised, I had seen that list you gave a link to from the NRS, but am not quite sure if the microfilm mentioned refers to the index and transcription or to the 2 volumes of registers.
Will see what Woodhorn say, if all else fails I'll try the NRS.
I wish Scotlands People would include these !
Boo
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I now have a copy from the microfilm for the marriage I had identified in the NDFHS booklet :-)
The microfilm number for these at Northumberland Archives is M.650, and the date range is 1833-1849
Full marks to the staff at Woodhorn, the gentleman who has been dealing with this has gone above and beyond the call of duty to find this microfilm which seems to have dropped off the radar at some stage.
Bless him, He was so patient with me when I kept insisting that all the evidence pointed to them holding a copy of these.
Though he tells me he's now going on annual leave - much deserved, I think I've worn him out :-)
Boo
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Tip for the future, when looking for things at Woodhorn (NBL Archives) use the National Archives website, then drill down the results for NBL Archives holdings. Easier catalogue to navigate.
The few folders of Cross Border marriages are on the open shelves at Woodhorn but like the films, they are inaccessible at the moment, due to Covid restrictions.
Vee in NBL
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Hi Gen List Lass :-)
I did try the NA site as I have used that in the past for Northumberland archives refs but failed to find a mention of these.
These are not the transcripts (which I already had) but a microfilm copy of the original registers of Henry Collins, Marriages at Lamberton Toll 1833 - 1849.
Great though transcripts are, when I found that an image of an original register may be available I got quite excited :-)
Boo
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Tip for the future, when looking for things at Woodhorn (NBL Archives) use the National Archives website, then drill down the results for NBL Archives holdings. Easier catalogue to navigate.
I'm unsure where I am going wrong, because I've searched the National Archives using various keywords, and I am still unable to locate the specific record Boo refers to.
Perhaps you can suggest how the record can be found?
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Boo and JenB
Both sites (NA and Woodhorn) cannot produce ANY films for Lamberton Toll marriages.
I searched for :
Cross Border marriages
Irregular Border marriages
Lamberton Toll
Coldstream marriages (just in case they were bundled together)
Non-Conformist marriages
with no results.
I can only think that the film has not been catalogued, I know Woodhorn has a huge backlog. I think they've been working on that during lockdown so maybe the catalogue will get bigger :-)
I know what they have on the shelves but was unaware of any film for Lamberton Toll. What I will chase up are the 74 marriage certificates from various "marriage houses" collected and transcribed by Linda Bankier the Berwick archivist.
Vee in NBL
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:-) yes that is the conclusion we (and the archivist I had contact with) came to, which is why I posted the film number so that should anyone else want to order the images they will be able to do so.
Not sure if anything has yet been done about adding this film to the Woodhorn Catalogue but limited re-opening and the continued short staffing because of Covid means they are stretched at the moment,
Boo
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I can only think that the film has not been catalogued, I know Woodhorn has a huge backlog. I think they've been working on that during lockdown so maybe the catalogue will get bigger :-)
The link I posted in reply #1 , in which it was stated that it was available on microfilm at Northumberland Archives, was dated 2014, so the backlog must indeed be huge.
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The link I posted in reply #1 , in which it was stated that it was available on microfilm at Northumberland Archives, was dated 2014, so the backlog must indeed be huge.
I'll see your 2014 and raise you a 1995 :-)
The NDFHS Booklet of transcriptions of these registers has a publication date of 1995 and towards the end of the Preface where they are thanking the GROS, SRO for permisson to include an illustration in the booklet.
It also thanks "the Northumberland Record Office (which holds a microfilm copy of the registers) for their assistance"
Boo
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;D ;D ;D
When the Woodhorn Archives fully reopens I will be looking at Film M650!
The date range is narrow considering all the previous marriages that must have been "performed" at Lamberton Toll but these are just the Henry Collins ones.
Vee in NBL UK
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Yes they are just the Henry Collins marriages for the stated time frame - I would have mentioned it if I could find evidence there were more available.
If you follow through from the links to the NRS that JenB posted (2nd post in this thread) and search the NRS catalogue with the ref no they give for these you'll see that the NRS purchased 'photocopies' of the original registers for this time frame. I believe that the registers are in private hands so the NRS only have these photocopies in 1983.
I spent a LOT of time (weeks) chasing round trying to locate these and am very grateful for the patience and help from the archivist I dealt with. Eventually between us we got to the bottom of it.
NB If you do at some stage look at this film, these were very big 'ledger' type books. Because of the physical size, the copies were done of left and right sides separately, so if you do look at the film, the parties names and the location are on one image and the witness details on the next - as far as I am aware, the image was stitched together when it was delivered and checks out with the transcript in the NDFHS booklet so for all I know they may have been copied/ filmed out of sequence so witnesses 'may' be the page before :-)
Lamberton Toll and Mordington Toll are both mentioned on the page that contains the couple I was interested in but obviously I have no idea about other locations as this is the only page I have seen.
Boo