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I have found entries for a Daisy Chasmer (father Thomas) being admitted to schools in Lewisham (11sep1888) and Southwark (5oct1891) which give her DoB as 25nov1882.
However I cannot find her in UK births, deaths or censuses. I have searched on the addresses given in the admissions, and on any person called Daisy with a DoB of 25nov1882.
Any ideas to track down who she was?
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So if I'm understanding, this Daisy was a name you found on the register and you are trying to find more information about her rather than knowing about her first? Do you have any suspicions about who her mother was (particularly maiden name)?
I would expect that "Chasmer" could be spelled various ways as well.
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What about this one for investigation?
Florence Daisey Cheesmar Mar qtr 1883 Guilford RD
Volume: 2a Page: 61
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School Record I can see says father was William not Thomas ???
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Sorry you are correct WILLIAM not Thomas.
I have no information other than that listed so no mother's name.
I am trying to find out who she is and how she links to my family as with a name such as Chasmer it is unusual.
It could be a variation i.e Chasmer but both school records show Chasmer.
But even as a name variation I cant find her birth.
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Ayashi has already posted
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I thought I was onto something for a bit there but my suggestion appears to be on the 1939 with a dob of 5 Jan 1883 >:(
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Could be related:
Name: William Chasmer
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 34
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1845
Marriage Date: 30 Nov 1879
Marriage Place: Christ Church, Southwark, Southwark, England
Father:
Thomas Chasmer
Spouse:
Anna Wells
Register Type: Parish Register
He's a coachman (both widowed) Her father's surname is on there but no idea what it says! [SAVAGE]
William and Annie, assuming they are the same people, are together (without children) in 1891 and in the workhouse on a 1902 record.
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I have this marriage but have no record of them having any children
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Her birth name was Savage and she married a ???? Wells and was then widowed.
Always sad when I read about my ancestors being in a workhouse and when the families were often so large.
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I can't find any children either (or the 1881 census). How annoying.
Can anyone find out who was living at 7 McKerrell(?) Road in 1891?
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It is so odd that she has ben admitted to two schools, and with mention of other schools, there are addresses but no birth record or census data. Frustrating.
Can't make out the correct spelling of McKerrell or McKennell or ??? Road
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It might be around somewhere, just hiding! In my family I have such things as 'missing' birth records because someone pretended to be married to someone else, or wasn't quite married yet or, in one notable occasion, gave birth two years after her husband died (baby later took her maiden name and was raised by other family members, hence the confusion). Other times the records don't make it easy- I lost my CARTER family until I eventually painstakingly went through the census by hand and found them transcribed as LEOTA (how was I supposed to find that??)
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This is the family living here in 1891 - Mc Kerrell Road, Camberwell, London & Surrey
John and Mary Cockram wih four daughters none of whom are stated as being born in 1882.
Registration district Camberwell
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 474
Folio 128
Page 26
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One thing I find interesting is that I cannot find Daisy in the Education Records on Find My Past. Perhaps they haven't got the records for that particular area.
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Thanks for the helpful info
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Have you looked for Margaret s
Daisy was often an abbreviation
dont want to put a spanner in the works school records the column usually reads Parent OR Guardian
So william could have been an uncle grandfather or even big brother
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There's a baptism for Mary CHASMAR 23 Aug 1891
Baptism Place: Peckham St Jude, Southwark, England
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William and Sarah Chasmar
Born Nov 25 1882!
Maureen
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Can't see any birth record for Mary Chasmar with phonetic spelling of surname.
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Is this the family in 1901?
10, Bassingham Road, Wandsworth, London & Surrey
William & Sarah with five children and two boarders.
Registration district Wandsworth
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 486
Folio 48
Page 40
Trying to find birth records for the children.
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Possible for two of them?
CHASMAR, ETHEL JANE FOSTER
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1032
CHASMAR, REGINALD HENRY FOSTER
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 872
Not so far found a marriage for the parents.
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Possible marriage?
Marriages Mar 1886
CHASMAN William Henry St. Saviour 1d 217
FOSTER Sarah St. Saviour 1d 217 Scan available - click to view
Humphreys William Thomas
Jones Edith St Saviour 1d 217
John
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She seems to marry as Mary Foster CHASMAR in 1909.
Maureen
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Found the family in 1891 living at Meeting House Lane, Camberwell, London & Surrey
Transcribed as Charman on FindMyPast.
Registration district Camberwell
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 481
Folio 78
Page 6
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Agree with all the recent comments. Ethel Jane on Ancestry births as Chasman but on GRO index as Chasmar mmn Foster. Son Philip in 1891 was born as William Philip Chasma(nr) Sept.1886 on Ancestry but as Chasmar on GRO index mmn Foster. Baptised, as was Ethel, with Mary in 1891. Ethel's birth date given as 29/12/1888 but must have been 1887 as birth reg'd Mar.1888.
So, 'Mary' (Mary F in 1891) looks like she may well have been 'Daisy' as a child and was certainly born before parents married in 1886.
Annette
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Ah, I wonder if this is Mary's birth record then?
FOSTER, MARY -
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR, SURREY Volume 01D Page 185
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Father's birth ?
CHASMAN, WILLIAM HENRY KENWARD
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in KENSINGTON PADDINGTON AND FULHAM Volume 03
Parents married 1848 William Reeves Chasmar/n & Jane Ann Kenward.
John
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Just for info. Mary Foster Chasmar married George Rupert Hilsden. Appear in 1911 census.They had several children easily found, Both appear on 1939 register but at separate addresses, Mary's dob as per school record. Mary died aged 84 in Taunton in 1966 and George Rupert died 1969 Taunton.
John
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The electoral register for 1893 shows a William Chasmer at 7 McKerrell Road 9as Daisy's school admission form in 1891). But is this the same William that married Sarah Foster with the daughter Mary who has the same birth date at Daisy?
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Can you follow the electoral register through to 1901?
I gave the 1901 census details for William and Sarah at Reply#18. They were living here then:-
10, Bassingham Road, Wandsworth, London & Surrey
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Great finds everyone
I think its a safe bet that this is the same William
And that Daisy is Mary .
Annette was her birth date on baptism the same ?
+ godfrey have you found the connection to your CHASMER s
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BRIGIDMAC. The DoB on the baptism is the same. Interesting but connected to me as I am a Chasmer and it seems this family is a Chasmar.
GIRL GUIDE: thank you for the info I have located it
JOHNHOOD: thank you for the info about Mary and George's deaths