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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: xpress4 on Tuesday 01 June 21 15:18 BST (UK)
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Hi there!
I found a birth record on Lancashire OPC:
Baptism: 24 Sep 1843 St Mary RC, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Jas. Moore - [Child] of Denis Moore & Bridget (formerly Law?)
Born: 12 Jun 1843
Godparents: Math. Toll; Mary Mitchel
Notes: [mother's surname is obscured by tight binding]
Parents' Marital Status: con.
Baptised by: Edmd. Hogan
Register: Baptisms 1829 - 1852, Entry 1
Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives
I looked to see if I could locate it on FreeBMD None came back from Oldham, would one of the following be the one?
Births Mar 1843 (>99%)
Moore James Wigan 21 809 Scan available - click to view
Moore James Fylde 21 406 Scan available - click to view
Births Sep 1843 (>99%)
Moore James Bolton 21 110 Scan available - click to view
Moore James Lancaster 21 466 Scan available - click to view
Moore James Preston 21 554 Scan available - click to view
Moore James Liverpool 20 457 Scan available - click to view
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Births Mar 1843 (>99%)
Moore James Wigan 21 809 Scan available - click to view
Moore James Fylde 21 406 Scan available - click to view
Births Sep 1843 (>99%)
Moore James Bolton 21 110 Scan available - click to view
Moore James Lancaster 21 466 Scan available - click to view
Moore James Preston 21 554 Scan available - click to view
Moore James Liverpool 20 457 Scan available - click to view
From GRO
It's not Lancaster, mother's maiden name Thistlethwaite
It's not Preston, mother's maiden name Sumer
It's not Fylde, mother's maiden name Doughty
It's not Liverpool, mother's maiden name Taylor
That leaves Wigan, mother's name Fahy (could that be what has been transcribed as Law) but not sure a baby born in Oldham would be registered in Wigan.
Then there's Bolton, which is nearer to Oldham than Wigan is but, unfortunately, no mother's name is given.
Unless you're desperate for the mother's name there will be less information on the birth certificate than on Lancs OPC. Perhaps if you look for a marriage for Denis Moore and Bridget that should give her maiden name.
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Is this the family in 1851? No sign of James though?
Dennis Moore 28
Bridget Moore 34
Julia Moore 6
Sarah Moore 4
Timothy Conner 40
Michael Conner 23
MMN on both Julia and Sarah's births is Carroll.
MOORE, JULIA mmn CARROLL
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in BRADFORD UNION, WEST RIDING OF YORKSHIRE Volume 23 Page 169
MOORE, SARAH mmn CARROLL
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in BRADFORD UNION WEST RIDING OF YORKSHIRE
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Carried out the same GRO check and came to the same conclusion
Not having much luck with Julia or Sarah, if that's the correct Denis and Bridget
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We also have to remember that it was not compulsory to register births until 1 January 1875.
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I would have thought it would be easy to find James b 1843 ish and parents Denis and Bridget in the censuses,but am having no luck with any of them.
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Another option is that James was born elsewhere (eg Ireland) and baptised after his parents moved to Oldham
Dennis Moore and Bridget Carroll married in Bradford in 1844, so possibly not the right family
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Another option is that James was born elsewhere (eg Ireland) and baptised after his parents moved to Oldham
Dennis Moore and Bridget Carroll married in Bradford in 1844, so possibly not the right family
Ah they were the only Denis and Bridget that I could find in the censuses.
As you say Mabel,maybe not the right family.
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There's a Dennis and Bridget from Ireland who are living in Scotland in 1851 and move on to London in 1861 and 71. (he's Deme on Ancestry for 1851) Again no James with them.
two baptisms in Kelso - parents Dennis Moore and Bridget Law
Richard George Moore 18 Apr 1856
Jane Moore 19 Jun 1858
which match 1861
Dennis Moore 48 - officer survey department
Bridget Moore 40
Rose Skealy 20 - daughter, married
Rose Moore 15
Catherine Moore 13
Flaten Moore 9 [Fenton]
Richd Moore 5
Jane Moore 3
Mary Ellen Skeley 8/12
RG 9; 24; 76; 20;
Added: Dennis, Bridget and ROse 1 b Ireland, the other Moore children b Scotland
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That is the right family Mabel as OP mentions on another post that Denis was a Messenger for Ordnance Survey. Bridget died c1877 and Denis late 1880's both Bristol area
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So it would seem James died sometime after his baptism and before the family were found in Scotland in 1851.
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Birth of a James Moore was registered in St. George sub-district in 1844. Mother's maiden surname LOWE. I don't know what area of Manchester it was.
Lancashire BMD.
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Birth of a James Moore was registered in St. George sub-district in 1844.
Mother's maiden surname LOWE.
I don't know what area of Manchester it was.
Lancashire BMD.
This could be his birth entry from GRO indexes
MOORE, JAMES mmn LOWE
1844 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 672
Not sure possible baptism :-\
James Moore born 15 Jul 1844
Baptism 20 Mar 1845 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father James Moore, spinner Mother Ann abode Cheetham
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this could be the birth entry of above James born 15 Jul 1844 reg in Sept qtr.
MOORE, JAMES mmn CHESHIRE
1844 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 706
1861 Piece: 3014 Folio: 22 Page Number: 3
James Moore 55, spinner
Ann Moore 54
Mary Ann Moore 19
JAMES Moore 14 Manchester
Margret Moore 11
Elizabeth CHESHIRE 49 sister in law
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Thanks All,
Yes, at least the family I'm looking for, were Denis & Bridget (nee law). Denis was the surveyor who ended up in Edinburgh in 1851.
Considering the fact that their next child was born in Scotland at the end of 1845, perhaps they did not have time/money to register James' birth because Denis was assigned to Scotland shortly after.
Such a shame as, if I had been able to confirm his parents were my Denis and Bridget, it would have shed some light on the family's path of travel during the period. As it stands now, they are in Ireland, with a gap, and then in Scotland. The survey were definitely in Lancashire in 1843, so very likely could have been my family.
Thanks again,
Brenda
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So it would seem James died sometime after his baptism and before the family were found in Scotland in 1851.
I agree - I wonder if this is the poor little mite
Burial: 16 May 1844 St James, Church Kirk, Lancashire, England
James Moores -
Age: 6 months
Abode: Oswaldtwistle
Buried by: J. Birchall
googled Church Kirk - it is in Hyndburn by Accrington - 25 miles from Oldham
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So it would seem James died sometime after his baptism and before the family were found in Scotland in 1851.
I agree - I wonder if this is the poor little mite
Burial: 16 May 1844 St James, Church Kirk, Lancashire, England
James Moores -
Age: 6 months
Abode: Oswaldtwistle
Buried by: J. Birchall
googled Church Kirk - it is in Hyndburn by Accrington - 25 miles from Oldham
If Garstonite is correct,then this is the death index fromthe GRO
MOORES, JAMES age 0
GRO Reference: 1844 J Quarter in SALFORD UNION Volume 20 Page 532
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The S on the end is putting me off though ??
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The S on the end is putting me off though ??
The place is too!
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I agree - I wonder if this is the poor little mite
Burial: 16 May 1844 St James, Church Kirk, Lancashire, England
James Moores -
Age: 6 months
Abode: Oswaldtwistle
Buried by: J. Birchall
googled Church Kirk - it is in Hyndburn by Accrington - 25 miles from Oldham
Likely this baptism at St. James, Church Kirk, 31st Dec. 1843
James Moor son of James & Mary Ann. Abode Oswaldtwistle; occupation mill maker.
Henry, his twin and a sister, Sarah Ann were baptised same day.
Lancashire Online Parish Clerks
www.lan-opc.org.uk
Church Kirk is the old name for Church. Oswaldtwistle and Church were adjacent villages which merged into a town and have now merged with the town of Accrington. Hyndburn is the modern local council district.
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I agree - I wonder if this is the poor little mite
Burial: 16 May 1844 St James, Church Kirk, Lancashire, England
James Moores -
Age: 6 months
Abode: Oswaldtwistle
Buried by: J. Birchall
googled Church Kirk - it is in Hyndburn by Accrington - 25 miles from Oldham
Likely this baptism at St. James, Church Kirk, 31st Dec. 1843
James Moor son of James & Mary Ann. Abode Oswaldtwistle; occupation mill maker.
Henry, his twin and a sister, Sarah Ann were baptised same day.
Lancashire Online Parish Clerks
www.lan-opc.org.uk
Church Kirk is the old name for Church. Oswaldtwistle and Church were adjacent villages which merged into a town and have now merged with the town of Accrington. Hyndburn is the modern local council district.
Birth registrations 1843 Henry & James MOORES, mother's maiden surname Wilson, sub-district Oswaldtwistle.
Death registration 1844 James in Oswaldtwistle sub-district.
(Lancashire BMD)