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Title: John William Simpson
Post by: tazzy on Wednesday 02 June 21 00:15 BST (UK)
Can anyone help me to find out what happened to John William Simpson born 1st February 1848 in Toronto.   I've just recently found out about him on Ancestry.   His parents were William Simpson & Bridget Mahar (My Great Great Grandparents) who had 2 other children which I have information on.  I have their Birth Certificates. They are James Simpson born 1850 in Canada and MARY jane Simpson born 1844 in Canada.  His Mother Bridget, was born in Waterford, Ireland and married William in Canada in 1843.  William was killed in 1854 in the Battle of the Alma in the Crimean War and Bridget returned to Hopeman, Morayshire, as she was on the 1861 Census with James.  I'm presuming the Hopeman address belonged to Simpson Family but the address on 1841 Census doesnt exist. Mary Jane was visiting someone in Elgin on 1861 Census
Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: JDC on Wednesday 02 June 21 18:05 BST (UK)
Hi tazzy,

You can try contacting the Toronto Public Library, they have a wonderful genealogy dept and they may do a birth notices lookup for you.

JDC
Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: tazzy on Wednesday 02 June 21 20:25 BST (UK)
Hello JDC
I dont think you read my post. I already have his birth
Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: JDC on Wednesday 02 June 21 20:57 BST (UK)
Sorry, I thought you only had records for sibs.
Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: eileenwilson on Thursday 03 June 21 14:38 BST (UK)
Why do you suppose he stayed in Canada if the mother returned to Scotland when he was still a young child?
Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: tazzy on Thursday 03 June 21 16:37 BST (UK)
That's the mystery. I dont know what year she returned as there are no records but it wouldve been between 1854 & 1861.
Maybe he died, although I cant find a death or maybe he enlisted as you likely know, that it was possible at an early age
Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: eileenwilson on Thursday 03 June 21 17:38 BST (UK)
He was born in 1848 and she was home by 1861, it is unlikely she left him behind.  Where are the other two children in 1861?  The 1851 Census for Toronto has not survived and this pre-dates civil registration in Ontario by several years, so no real way of knowing if he died as an infant.
Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: eileenwilson on Thursday 03 June 21 18:04 BST (UK)
Also, the burial records for St Paul's from late 1849 are online and browseable (not searchable) at FamilySearch, but I haven't looked through all of them.  When James was born in 1850, where was the family?
Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: tazzy on Thursday 03 June 21 18:22 BST (UK)
James and Mary Jane were on 1861 Census  in Morayshire, James was with his Nother and Mary Jane was visiting someone. I did state this in my original post.  They were both born in Kingston, Ontario
Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: DonM on Friday 04 June 21 00:03 BST (UK)
They aren't in the 1851 Ontario Census (took place Jan 1852) and not in the 1851 SCT Census (March 1951) so young John either died in Canada, onboard the returning ship or in Scotland. 

Canada had no interest in the Crimean War and I don't see William running home to sign up in 1853 if he had he would have been in the 1851 Census.  So, they would have returned spring of 1851-1853 and therefore missed both Census.  And they would have sailed when the spring shipping season begun or until it closed in the fall.

Also note in 1851 Ontario experience one of the worst recorded winters ever.  It would have certainly helped with the decision to return to the UK.

I don't know how you find a pre 1851 death in Canada unless you try the church records.  https://presbyterianarchives.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Archives_InfoSheet_GenealogyGuide.pdf

Or, check the 1855-1861 deaths on SP or even the OPR 1851-1854.

Don



Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: eileenwilson on Friday 04 June 21 01:25 BST (UK)
They were married in 1843 in Halifax.  Record available online at novascotiagenealogy

He is noted as being a member of the Rifle Brigade, so he would have moved with the Brigade when it went to the Crimean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle_Brigade_(The_Prince_Consort%27s_Own)

When the Crimean War broke out in 1853 the Rifle Brigade sent two battalions which fought at the Battle of Alma, where one of the battalions led the advance across the Alma River in September 1854. The regiment also saw action at the Battle of Inkerman in November 1854 and at the Siege of Sevastopol in winter 1854. Eight members of the regiment were awarded Victoria Crosses during the Crimean War.

Online tree says oldest child Mary born in Halifax in 1844, then John William in Toronto in 1848 (St. Paul's Catholic Church baptism record), and then James.  Original poster says oldest and youngest born in Kingston, Ontario, but not sure about that.

The 1851/52 Census for Toronto has not survived, and I've looked in the Kingston area and also not found them.  I suspect she would have travelled with the army battalion back to Europe on their way to the Crimean in 1853.
Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: eileenwilson on Friday 04 June 21 02:35 BST (UK)
Some references to the Rifle Brigade in the Toronto newspaper The Globe gives a timeline to where they were over time.

February 3, 1849:
DIED
In this City, on the evening of 31st January 1849, second Lieut. C.E. Bott, second battalion Rifle Brigade.

September 1, 1849:
References the murder of a man -- both parties were privates in the Rifle Brigade.

November 27, 1849:
The three companies of the Rifle Brigade at Fort Henry are ordered immediately for Toronto.

December 4, 1849:
Our garrison yesterday received an addition of three companies of the Rifle Brigade. They came from Kingston in the Princess Royal.

February 1850: Reserve battalion in Quebec City and posted to St. John

May 28, 1850: Desertion of six men from the Rifle Brigade (from the Kingston News)

October 19, 1850:
Yesterday morning, the company of the Rifle Brigade, that went to Mica Bay about 12 months ago under the command of Captain Cooper, to quell the threatened disturbance of the Indians, marched along King Street on their way to the garrison.

July 17, 1852:
H.M.S.V. Simeon with the Rifle Brigade on board arrived at Portsmouth on the 25th ult. after a voyage of three weeks and a day from Quebec.

December 2, 1852:
List of army stations shows 1st battalion of the Rifle Brigades at the Cape of Good Hope on October 27, 1852.

March 9, 1854:
From the Kingston Herald: Col. Young inspected the Rifle Brigade in Tete de Ponts Barracks in order to report the number of men to the British Government fit for active services.

March 13, 1854:
The first division of the British force of 10,000 men which had sailed for Mediterranean stations preparatory to being transferred to the seat of war  in the east consists of the following regiments ... 20th Battalion Rifle Brigade.

April 10, 1854: 3rd Battalion of the Rifle Brigades listed as being part of troops sent to join the war

May 8, 1854: references some of the Rifle Brigade being at Gallipoli.

August 1854: reference to Rifle Brigade being at Varna.

October 28, 1854: lists the fatalities and wounded by rank (but not name) for the Battle of the Alma
Title: Re: John William Simpson
Post by: DonM on Friday 04 June 21 11:35 BST (UK)
Thank you Eileen,

Didn't know he was career soldier.  He and his family would have been at Fort York.  If his son died in Toronto he would have been buried at the Portland Ave Burial Ground.

https://www.fortyork.ca/news-a-events/events/65-the-strachan-avenue-military-burying-ground.html

Don