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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Westee on Monday 07 June 21 23:41 BST (UK)
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Looking for the names of parents for Hannah Robson who married Cuthbert Blackett in 1826 Cockfield, Durham.
There seems to be some confusion about her parents. Thanks.
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No birthplace given. 1851 shows Hamsterley 1861 & 1871 = Lynesack
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Did you check FS? If so - why have you discounted this entry?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMTQ-44X
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Excellent. Yes, that will be her. Thanks so much.
I am trying to tie in the Elisabeth Robson who married John Close (and the married of Sarah Close and Luke Blackett married 1839). Maybe different Robson family - but trying to link Hannah in with this.
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Got it sorted. Thanks so much.
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I know you have sorted out what you wanted but just in case you don't have it this is the baptism entry in the Bishops Transcript
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SNS-R4J?i=104&cc=1309819&cat=1809095
Boo
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Awesome :)
I now have my DNA match after much hard work. Tks all.
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Looking for a baptism for Luke Blackett b. 1772 Lamesley, Durham. (?)
Have his marriage to a Margaret Walker; but cannot find his birth. At this stage have his father as Ralph Blackett (1733-1787). But unsure. Can't seem to get baptism information from Familysearch.
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Westee
Lamesley St. Andrew Luke Blackett baptised 7 Jun 1772, of Southrines Shop, son of Ralph Blackett
I own a copy of this parish record but have no way of printing it.
Janis
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Hi Westee
According to a free search on Durham Records Online there is another baptism which looks likely to be a sibling of the Luke that Janis gave you the details for
Lamesley St. Andrew Ann Blackett baptised 1766, of Southrines Shop
Sadly the BTs for either 1772 or 1766 do not seem to have survived - or at least they aren't in the Family Search images so can't give you a link to an image.
The Lamesley page on Genuki
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DUR/Lamesley
has transcribed lists of baptisms and that gives
Blackett, Ann ch. of Ralph, baptised 28 April 1776
So between the two they give you an abode, a date and a father's name - sometimes you have to get info baby step by baby step :-)
and Free Reg has a 'possible' marriage for their Dad, Ralph
Whickham, St Mary The Virgin 3 Dec 1763
Ralph Blackett, parish of Lamesley and Elizabeth Drydon, witnesses John Dods and John Spragon
Durham Records Online (free to search but ppv or a sub to see the details), Free Reg and Genuki are all good places to look if you are stuck after checking Family Search and the main subscription sites.
Boo
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Confirmed then. Tks so much.
I have a Ralph Blackett marrying an Elisabeth Morgan in 16th Dec. 1772 (Gateshead) - but that is 6 months after Luke was baptised. So wondering if Ralph had a previous wife?
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Hi Boo
So a possible first marriage to an Elisabeth Drydon as Ann Blackett born 1766. As you say, step by step. :)
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Confirmed then. Tks so much.
I have a Ralph Blackett marrying an Elisabeth Morgan in 16th Dec. 1772 (Gateshead) - but that is 6 months after Luke was baptised. So wondering if Ralph had a previous wife?
What is your source for that marriage? I've looked at all the usual places and the only marriage I can find (though may well have missed something) for a couple with those names was on 16 December 1792 at Gateshead St Mary
image from BT:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQ9-52K?
Boo
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OMGoodness - just checked. Must have read it wrong. Had to wink it out, as I've just checked and it is 1792. I will really have to be more careful. Unusual for me as I am usually very very careful.
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OMGoodness - just checked. Must have read it wrong. Had to wink it out, as I've just checked and it is 1792. I will really have to be more careful. Unusual for me as I am usually very very careful.
:-) We all do it at one time or another.
So that 1763 marriage at Whickham is still in the 'possible' category, based on time frame and the groom's abode?
Boo
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Yes, the 1763 marriage is certainly a strong possibility; and after looking at the link you sent me I've found 5 more children to this marriage; starting with Ralph, Margaret, Elisabeth, Peter and another Ralph. (Ann being the other sister born 1776) and then Luke, the other brother, born 1772 was a "tailor"; so too his son Luke born 1816 a "tailor". Charming find.
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This baptism looks to be a 'possible' first child just over 12 months after that marriage (though in Whickham where they married rather than in Lamesley)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5D7-MQH
I looked at the transcript on Durham Records Online and the only other info in the register was an abode of Fellside.
I'd shove it in the possibles box anyway, in case anything else turns up that may link this in to the famiy.
and when I typed that I had a thought ..
This 'may' lend a little more weight and again is worth putting in the 'possibles'
A Stephen Blackett married Margaret Hull at Lamesley St Andrew on 24 July 1806, by Licence
Licence on Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6S83-HT2?
which says he was '35 years and upwards' (so in a reasonable ball park to have been baptised in 1864, I'm never sure what span the 'upwards covered) and a Luke Blackett, taylor, of the parish Gateshead -so 'possiby' your Luke - if it is then that's his signature at the bottom :-)
and the transcript from the Parish Register (Durham Records Online) says the witnesses for this marriage were Peter Blackett (another possible brother) and Eleanor Stevenson.
All a bit smoke and mirrors as it usually is this far back where info on records is sparse. Its maybe worth exploring later records for the other names you found as possible children to see if they have similar tentative connections ?
ADDED. (now up to 2 thoughts I've had today - which is about my limit for any one 24 hour period lol)
Your Luke also married by Licence (1802 to Margaret Walker) and this is 'his' Licence
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6W37-F8D?
I 'think' I can see a similarity in the Luke Blackett signatures on this and Stephen's licence but would advise snipping them both out and asking on the handwriting board where folk who are good at this sort of thing can offer an opinion.
Boo
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Lots of good detail you've given. Luke's signature has a return on the 't' in both instances; so looking more than likely it is him. Always good to have a signature to confirm details. I read the conditions of marriage and note it cost £200.0.0 for this. Am I right? If so - more expensive than today. He must have been making good money as a tailor/taylor at the time. I'm surprised by the cost of this licence.
Enjoyed waking up to this added information. Will continue with this tonight as about to leave home for the day. Workmen outside cutting electricity off for maintenance. Whole street being upgraded.
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When couples were married after Banns being read, then their local communities had the opportunity, to object if they were aware of any lawful reason the marriage should not take place. e.g. one of the parties were already married, they were too closely related for the marriage to be legal.
Marriage by Licence could take place the same day, so one of the parties (usually the Groom) and they and a friend/ relation/employer whatever had to swear that there was no such reason that the marriage could take place.
They didn't have to pay the £200 at the time but IF, at a later date, someone came forward to say it shouldn't then they 'could' be liable to pay (or presumably be imprisoned if they couldn't pay?)
This Family Search article explains it and suggests that by the end of the 19th century the cost of a licence , including tax was £2-£3 - so maybe slightly cheaper when these two licences were issued.
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Marriage_Allegations,_Bonds_and_Licences_in_England_and_Wales
I have never yet come across a case where this happened - though someone else may have.
EDIT
Apologies, I assumed you were familiar with these licence records and didn't mention there are two pages to each one (a Licence and an Allegation/Bond) for these records. For both the links I gave, you need to also view the previous page (or next one, can't remember offhand)
Boo
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Very good - thanks.
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To widen my dna pool matches with the Blackett/Bell families of Durham; can anyone help with finding what happened to Thomas MILLER and Mary BELL. They were married on 3 June 1776 at St Cuthberts, Darlington. Both single and of that parish. Only one child is recorded in the St Cuthbert Register from the union - Margaret MILLER bap. 10 August 177. Cannot find any othe children and unsure of Thomas' occupation.