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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: BAC3 on Wednesday 09 June 21 14:35 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Can someone please confirm that St. Nicholas, Liverpool, is a Roman Catholic church?
Ancestry for research purposes has it nominated under the title "England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935" but according to the website below it is Roman Catholic:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Liverpool/StNicholas1
Thank you,
BAC3
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I wonder if the church that Ancestry have as St Nicholas Liverpool in their collection is actually Our Lady and St Nicholas, which is definitely Church of England, and is the Parish Church of Liverpool?
The records Ancestry show for 'St Nicholas' definitely appear to be Church of England, not in Roman Catholic fomat.
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Thank you JenB,
The actual Ancestry entry I researched showed the primary source as "St. Nicholas Church, Parish of Liverpool" and the bridegroom as C of E.....and according to birth records etc. However, when he died 6 years after the marriage he was buried in the Anfield Cemetery, Roman Catholic Section.
Hence my confusion 8) ::)
BAC3
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What was the date of the marriage?
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When was this?
At certain times in history ALL marriages had to take place in a CofE church.
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There is a St Nicholas RC Church on Copperas Hill. As mentioned the Parish Church for Liverpool is Our Lady and St Nicholas which is C of E.
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The RC church, St Nicholas, Hawke Street, was demolished in the 1970s (?) to clear the site for the new GPO building in Copperas Hill. The GPO building has been demolished more recently.
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The marriage took place on 03/02/1867.......Bridegroom John POLAND: Bride Bridget DOYLE, who was born in Ireland.
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The record on Ancestry is definitely from the Church of England.
It clearly says ‘Married in the Church of St Nicholas according to the rites of the Established Church’ which is the Church of England.
So it must have been at Our Lady and St Nicholas C of E Church.
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JenB,
I wonder why the primary source document did not include the words "Our Lady and.........." ??? ???
BAC3
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Perhaps that’s how it was popularly known?
The parish website refers to ‘St Nicks’ https://livpc.co.uk/index.html
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LancsBMD has it right:
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Now why didn't I think of looking there ::)
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Thank you for solving my problem.
Incidentally, I had looked at Parish Clerks but there was no result (to my enquiry anyway)???
BAC
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LancsBMD has it right:
Lancs BMD usually does get it right. Indexes are from original certificates. :)
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Catholics often married at the two main C of E churches in the city, St Nicholas, located at the Pier Head (still there) and St Peter's, located in Church Street (now demolished) and the practice was eventually discouraged by the RC church in the 20th Century. Confusingly there was an RC St Nicholas (now demolished it was in Copperas Hill) and RC St Peter's, in Seel Street (now Alma de Cuba Restaurant & Bar).
Blue
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Blue,
Thank you for the RC detail..........it squares the circle 8) 8)
BAC3
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I don't know if this was common practice in other places or unique to Liverpool but researchers of Liverpool families with catholic ancestors often find C of E marriages of couples who were both catholic followed by RC baptisms and this was during the time RC marriages were legal. My great grandparents married at St Nicholas C of E in 1899. He was baptised at St Mary's RC, she was baptised at St Augustine's RC and their children were all baptised at St Augustine's RC.
Blue
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I don't know if this was common practice in other places or unique to Liverpool but researchers of Liverpool families with catholic ancestors often find C of E marriages of couples who were both catholic followed by RC baptisms and this was during the time RC marriages were legal. My great grandparents married at St Nicholas C of E in 1899. He was baptised at St Mary's RC, she was baptised at St Augustine's RC and their children were all baptised at St Augustine's RC.
Not unique to Liverpool. A pair of my R.C. 3xgreat-grandparents married at C.o.E. in Preston 1850. Children were baptised R.C. Preston was once called "the most Catholic town in the most Catholic county of England". Another R.C. 3xGGF married his Anglican wife at a Catholic church in the town in 1843.
Catholic in England weren't required to marry in the presence of a priest until 1908 (Ne temere decree on marriage).