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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: Rebecca Totten on Wednesday 09 June 21 18:27 BST (UK)
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Hi, i have tried to find Alice Cooke for a long time but just cant seem to find her after 1911 in Coventry from her being on the Census.
She was born Elizabeth Alice Cooke in 1909 Loughborough
She had a brother Arthur Thomas Cooke 1908 Loughborough
The only thing i was told about her was that Arthur her brother used to visit her and his Mum. Weather this is true or not im not sure.
Ive tried searching the 1939 census but she may have married by then and dont know where to look. I did think i might have found her at 27 Western Park Road, Leicester but i cant see if that Elizabeth Cooke is married as i cant view the record and there is no birth date shown on the search page.
The reason i thought it might have been her is because ive also been looking for her Mother Janet Cooke (Holland) and thought she might have remarried as Gray and there was a Janet Gray living at 1a Norman Street, Leicester not far from Western Park Road, but unsure weather that's MY Janet Cooke so far.
Janet Cooke was born Lily Jennet Holland - 1890, Theberton
Hoping anyone could help me as I've had some difficult times trying to find these two after 1911.
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Start a trial sub, or use library access to search 1939 images.
we cannot provide the lookup. if you search using YOB and she doesn't show in the results, then she wasn't born 1909!!
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COOKE, ELIZABETH ALICE mmn HOLLAND
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH
Volume 07A Page 147
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Arthur Cooke
Death Age:40
Birth Date:abt 1889 Registration Date:Jul 1929
[Aug 1929]
[Sep 1929] Registration Quarter:Jul-Aug-SepRegistration District:Loughborough
This is probably her fathers death.,So 10 years for her mother to remarry before 1939.
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The Elizabeth Cooke you found at Western Park Road was born February 1897.
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Start a trial sub, or use library access to search 1939 images.
we cannot provide the lookup. if you search using YOB and she doesn't show in the results, then she wasn't born 1909!!
Hi thanks for the reply but i have already used a sub trial yonks ago and do pay every now and than for a months membership on Ancestry however i usually need to use the £19.99 sub and its too expensive so only join every now and than. Just happens that my sub ended a few weeks ago and just been using free resources at the moment.
Your other reply does not help me, i was only asking for help no need to be harsh in the lookup :( This is why i sometimes dont post for help on this fourm as i get harsh replies for no reason i apologize if my help requests are not appropriate for you.
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COOKE, ELIZABETH ALICE mmn HOLLAND
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH
Volume 07A Page 147
Yes this is the birth i have in my Tree.
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Arthur Cooke
Death Age:40
Birth Date:abt 1889 Registration Date:Jul 1929
[Aug 1929]
[Sep 1929] Registration Quarter:Jul-Aug-SepRegistration District:Loughborough
This is probably her fathers death.,So 10 years for her mother to remarry before 1939.
I did come across this and thats what made me think Alice's mother may have remarried at some point.
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The Elizabeth Cooke you found at Western Park Road was born February 1897.
Thank you that is helpful :) i know its not the correct person now.
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The Janet Gray was born April 1899, the other person Josiah in 1877. He is a baker. I think he dies in 1948 in Scotland, a Janet Read Gray widow is named in the probate.
In 1901 Joshua is in Scotland with wife Maggie, daughter Janet Crop Gray aged 2.No image.
A bit confusing .
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In case you don't have these baptisms
Thomas Arthur Cook
8th April 1908
Loughborough All Saints
Arthur and Lily Janet
9 Ratcliffe Road
father was a coach painter
Elizabeth Alice Cooke
15th May 1912
Coventry Keresley (St Thomas)
Arthur and Lily Janet
1 Nag's Head Yard, Spon End
father was a coach painter
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There is a marriage in Leicester in 1938 Janet Cooke to Edward A Gray but I think she is born 1910 and in 1939 as Janet Gray, in the same home as on the 1911 census, also a Cooke brother with her in 1939, no husband present.
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It doesn't look like it was a happy marriage, so they may have separated fairly early on.
Coventry Evening Telegraph
09 Oct 1913
Coventry Police Court
"Made It Up"
- Arthur Cooke, 1h 3c, Spon End,
- summoned by Lily Janet Cooke, his wife,
- for assault and defendant admitted the offence
- Mrs Cooke said they had been married six years
- in consequence of defendant's conduct she fetched a policeman,
- and then her husband slapped her face
- they has since "made it up",
- and she did not want to press the case
- the Bench adjourned the matter for a month
Coventry Herald
10 Oct 1913
Coventry City Police
Two Wife Assaults
- Arthur Cooke, 3c 1h, Spon End,
- pleaded guilty to assaulting his wife,
- who stated that he began to break crockery and then hit her
- the had since made it up and she did not want to press the case
- a month's adjournment was ordered
There is similar story the following year for an Arthur Cooke, also of Spon End. However, one item states this couple had been married 3 years. So this could be a different couple or the item could be incorrect. The address does tally with Comberton's info though.
Coventry Evening Telegraph
30 Apr 1914
Coventry Police Court
Husband Fined For Assault
- Arthur Cooke,
- 1 Nag's Head Yard, Spon End,
- summoned for assaulting his wife
- Mrs Cooke stated that one April 24
- her husband came home worse for drink and ill-used her,
- punching her in the face, held her by the throat
- and pulled out handsful of hair
- she got out of the house and stayed at a friend's
- and had not returned to her husband
- defendant expressed his regret
- and said complainant had been a good wife
- and he had been very silly
- he had taken an oath not to repeat the offence
- Ald. [A. H.] Drinkwater said the magistrates felt very strongly
- about men ill-treating their wives
- a fine of 20s and cost was imposed
Coventry Standard
01 May 1914
Coventry Police Court
Broken Promises
Wife's Fear Of Her Husband
- Arthur Cooke, the Nag's Head Yard, Spon End,
- summoned for assaulting his wife,
- and at conclusion of her evidence she said
- she was afraid to return as she was in fear of him
- they had been married three years,
- and during that time he had beaten her on a number of occasions
- in her evidence Mrs Cooke said her husband came home drunk,
- and complained of no food being ready for him
- she undertook to prepare a meal,
- but he seized her and threw her on the floor,
- threatening to take her life
- she fled to a neighbour's house
- but he followed her there and she had to leave
- in reply to the magistrates' clerk,
- she said had not since returned home,
- and was afraid to do so
- the defendant, who pleaded guilty to the assault,
- promised amendment
- the complainant said she could not accept his word
- he had made similar promises before, and had broken them,
- during the three years they had been married
- probably if she did return he would treat her properly
- for a short time and then break out again
- that had been her experience
- the Bench inflicted a fine of 20s and costs,
- or in default 28 days
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This doesn't answer the original request but is another possibility for the death of Arthur and the years in between.
There is this death
Arthur Cooke
Mar 1937 Coventry
age 48
and the burial 6th March in London Road Cemetery, Coventry. Address given is 34 Tomson Avenue, Coventry.
At this address in 1939 are Florence S Cooke 1895 and Cooke children b 1921 and 1922 mmn King. No marriage found for Arthur Cooke and Florence S King. Florence has her surname amended to Saffin. No marriage for Florence S Cooke and Saffin but next door in 1939 is widowed Edwin J Saffin b 1899. There is a marriage in Coventry in 1943 for Edwin J Saffin and Florence S King.
It looks like Arthur and Florence were not married and maybe this is where Arthur went.
A write-up in the newspaper for his funeral mentions no family members but describes him as a member of the Final Finish Department of the Standard Motor Co. Limited, which sounds like an occupation that fits a coach painter.
Edwin James Saffin died 1963, probate to widow Florence Sarah and she died 1983.
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The Janet Gray was born April 1899, the other person Josiah in 1877. He is a baker. I think he dies in 1948 in Scotland, a Janet Read Gray widow is named in the probate.
In 1901 Joshua is in Scotland with wife Maggie, daughter Janet Crop Gray aged 2.No image.
A bit confusing .
hmm possibly not my Janet than thanks for looking though.
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In case you don't have these baptisms
Thomas Arthur Cook
8th April 1908
Loughborough All Saints
Arthur and Lily Janet
9 Ratcliffe Road
father was a coach painter
Elizabeth Alice Cooke
15th May 1912
Coventry Keresley (St Thomas)
Arthur and Lily Janet
1 Nag's Head Yard, Spon End
father was a coach painter
Thank you! i never had Elizabeths baptism so that is helpful.
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It doesn't look like it was a happy marriage, so they may have separated fairly early on.
Coventry Evening Telegraph
09 Oct 1913
Coventry Police Court
"Made It Up"
- Arthur Cooke, 1h 3c, Spon End,
- summoned by Lily Janet Cooke, his wife,
- for assault and defendant admitted the offence
- Mrs Cooke said they had been married six years
- in consequence of defendant's conduct she fetched a policeman,
- and then her husband slapped her face
- they has since "made it up",
- and she did not want to press the case
- the Bench adjourned the matter for a month
Coventry Herald
10 Oct 1913
Coventry City Police
Two Wife Assaults
- Arthur Cooke, 3c 1h, Spon End,
- pleaded guilty to assaulting his wife,
- who stated that he began to break crockery and then hit her
- the had since made it up and she did not want to press the case
- a month's adjournment was ordered
There is similar story the following year for an Arthur Cooke, also of Spon End. However, one item states this couple had been married 3 years. So this could be a different couple or the item could be incorrect. The address does tally with Comberton's info though.
Coventry Evening Telegraph
30 Apr 1914
Coventry Police Court
Husband Fined For Assault
- Arthur Cooke,
- 1 Nag's Head Yard, Spon End,
- summoned for assaulting his wife
- Mrs Cooke stated that one April 24
- her husband came home worse for drink and ill-used her,
- punching her in the face, held her by the throat
- and pulled out handsful of hair
- she got out of the house and stayed at a friend's
- and had not returned to her husband
- defendant expressed his regret
- and said complainant had been a good wife
- and he had been very silly
- he had taken an oath not to repeat the offence
- Ald. [A. H.] Drinkwater said the magistrates felt very strongly
- about men ill-treating their wives
- a fine of 20s and cost was imposed
Coventry Standard
01 May 1914
Coventry Police Court
Broken Promises
Wife's Fear Of Her Husband
- Arthur Cooke, the Nag's Head Yard, Spon End,
- summoned for assaulting his wife,
- and at conclusion of her evidence she said
- she was afraid to return as she was in fear of him
- they had been married three years,
- and during that time he had beaten her on a number of occasions
- in her evidence Mrs Cooke said her husband came home drunk,
- and complained of no food being ready for him
- she undertook to prepare a meal,
- but he seized her and threw her on the floor,
- threatening to take her life
- she fled to a neighbour's house
- but he followed her there and she had to leave
- in reply to the magistrates' clerk,
- she said had not since returned home,
- and was afraid to do so
- the defendant, who pleaded guilty to the assault,
- promised amendment
- the complainant said she could not accept his word
- he had made similar promises before, and had broken them,
- during the three years they had been married
- probably if she did return he would treat her properly
- for a short time and then break out again
- that had been her experience
- the Bench inflicted a fine of 20s and costs,
- or in default 28 days
Wow so much information! ;D Very interesting, i dont think i would have ever come across these articles. They sound like the same people so perhaps the marriage was written down wrong.
It does not surprise me that Arthur was a bad one as ive been told that Arthur and Lily Janet's son Thomas Arthur Cooke was not a very nice man either.
Thanks again for this info.
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Something I noticed that was missing from your tree:-
Margaret Holland, daughter of James Angus, surveyor, married John Henry Cox, a gardener, on 28th December 1912 at St Peter, Loughborough.
Both widowed of 60 Derby Road. The witnesses were Joseph Earl Peacock and Lizzie Rose.
I can't find them after the wedding.
One way of finding people on the 39 register is through their birthday. Unfortunately, it means buying the birth certificates, but I have found a few missing relatives by using their first names and birth date. However, a lot of birth dates differ from certificates, often a year or two out or the day of the month is different.
David
P.S. - In 1915, Margaret Cox of 60 Derby Road was on a list on people eligible to vote as Parochial Electors only.
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Something I noticed that was missing from your tree:-
Margaret Holland, daughter of James Angus, surveyor, married John Henry Cox, a gardener, on 28th December 1912 at St Peter, Loughborough.
Both widowed of 60 Derby Road. The witnesses were Joseph Earl Peacock and Lizzie Rose.
I can't find them after the wedding.
One way of finding people on the 39 register is through their birthday. Unfortunately, it means buying the birth certificates, but I have found a few missing relatives by using their first names and birth date. However, a lot of birth dates differ from certificates, often a year or two out or the day of the month is different.
David
P.S. - In 1915, Margaret Cox of 60 Derby Road was on a list on people eligible to vote as Parochial Electors only.
wow thanks for the information really appreciated and thanks for the tip of the 39 register will give a try with different days in the month, sorry for the late reply.