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Catherine Grandon born c. 1884 Midleton Co Cork Ireland. Arrived New York 8th July 1906 Ship Celtic. Gave a Mary Lynch as a cousin contact 323 East 89th St NY. I am looking for any information on Catherine I did see a Marriage in Manhattan 24th August 1912 to a Howard Ryerson of a Catherine Grandon but have no way of knowing if this is my Catherine. On the Manhattan index there is a marriage 27 Jan 1912 of a Jane Grandon to a John Harris I know this to be Catherine Grandons sister. Thank you for any assistance
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Jane/Jennie shows up on the 1920 census - Willis Avenue Bronx Assembly District 2, Bronx, New York.
John Harris 37 Head
Jennie Harris 27 Wife. born Ireland. Imm 1904.
Thomas Harris 7 Son
James Harris 6 Son
Mary Harris 3 Daughter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJG5-9CR
Jane - passport application - Mrs Jane Harris - 1 December 1893 Ireland. Aged 27 years
Passport Issue Date 10 Jun 1921
Spouse John Harris - Has Photo Yes
Certificate Number 50932
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKDF-P5H4
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8961-9714?i=628&cc=2185145&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQKDF-P5H4
Sandra
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I did see a Marriage in Manhattan 24th August 1912 to a Howard Ryerson of a Catherine Grandon but have no way of knowing if this is my Catherine.
The parents of that Catherine Grandon were James [Grandon] and Jane O'Donnell
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:243K-K9Z
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same parents for the Jane Grandon who married John Harris in 1912
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:243F-TYJ
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I did see a Marriage in Manhattan 24th August 1912 to a Howard Ryerson of a Catherine Grandon but have no way of knowing if this is my Catherine.
1915 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K92W-WTH
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I did see a Marriage in Manhattan 24th August 1912 to a Howard Ryerson of a Catherine Grandon but have no way of knowing if this is my Catherine.
The parents of that Catherine Grandon were James [Grandon] and Jane O'Donnell
Her Howard's parents were Albert Ryerson and Mary Barrett
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:243K-K9Z
1900 Census - Howard with parents' Albert and Mary
in Warwick Twp, Orange County, NY
says Howard was born August 1893
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSL7-1PR
WWI Draft in Paterson, New Jersey
Howard Ryerson b 2 August 1893, Greenwood Lake, NY
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZJ1-FBC
Newspapers.com index
obituary dated 21 Oct 1974 in Hackensack NJ for a Howard Ryerson, age 82, born in Greenwood Lake, NY, living at the time of death in Inverness Florida
buried in Totowa [state unnamed]
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Catherine may have died between 1915 and 1919. or they were divorced. I haven't looked for her son Alfred yet.
here is husband Howard in 1930:
1930 in Hawthorne, Passaic Co, NJ
Howard Ryerson, 37, first married at 26
Mary, 33, first married at 22
Harvey, 7
Evelyn C, 5 [named in Howard's obit]
mother in law Carrie Mackrell
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4FD-ZNM
1940 same household
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4TR-Z1Y
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Catherine may have died between 1915 and 1919. or they were divorced
That's what I've been thinking too.
They had a child in 1916 who only lived a couple of months.
1916 Death https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WY1-TGY
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I think the Alfred in the 1915 census is actually "Albert"
This would be them in 1920 census. Howard is now married to Mary MacKrell. If Albert is living with them, that seems to indicate that Catherine may have died.
1920 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4YC-P85
This appears to be the death record for Albert in 1965.
CADI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPKG-Y8J
Albert's obit mentions a half brother Harvey and half sister Evelyn. This matches with the 1930 census.
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Her son John (7 Jan 1916 - 7 Apr 1916) is buried in Calvary Cem, Queens, according to findagrave, but Catherine doesn't show up when looking for other Ryersons in that cemetery. Still that would be the first place to look, I would guess.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204671142/john-ryerson
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NJ Marriage Index
1919
Howard Ryerson
Mae MacKrell
certificate 30493
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When he registered for the draft in WWI he said he had a wife and child. The registration card is not dated. If he didn't marry Mae (Mary) until 1919, then was Catherine alive in 1918?
By the way, he served in WWI starting in Aug 1918 and was discharged in Nov 1918, he was not overseas.
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I did see a Marriage in Manhattan 24th August 1912 to a Howard Ryerson of a Catherine Grandon but have no way of knowing if this is my Catherine.
The parents of that Catherine Grandon were James [Grandon] and Jane O'Donnell
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:243K-K9Z
Kate Grandon born 6th April 1884.....Mill Road, Midleton.
MMN Connell
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02688/1990181.pdf
1901 census
Residents of a house 29 in William Street (Midleton, Cork).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Midleton/William_Street/1134606/
KG
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Thank you to everyone for the invaluable information on Catherine Grandon. I would be interested in locating whether Catherine died or divorced but a death seems more likely as son was living with Father Howard and new family on the census. :)
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I did see a Marriage in Manhattan 24th August 1912 to a Howard Ryerson of a Catherine Grandon but have no way of knowing if this is my Catherine.
The parents of that Catherine Grandon were James [Grandon] and Jane O'Donnell
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:243K-K9Z
Thanks for information I have the info from the Irish angle its the American details I couldnt find apart from the Immigration record & what turns out to be her marriage. Her mothers maiden name was O Connell not O Donnell as recorded on some records
Kate Grandon born 6th April 1884.....Mill Road, Midleton.
MMN Connell
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02688/1990181.pdf
1901 census
Residents of a house 29 in William Street (Midleton, Cork).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Midleton/William_Street/1134606/
KG
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Catherine may have died between 1915 and 1919. or they were divorced
That's what I've been thinking too.
They had a child in 1916 who only lived a couple of months.
1916 Death https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WY1-TGY
On family search I have found a death for a James McGuire 21 March 1918 Birth date 12 Jan 1918 Mothers name Catherine Grandon Father Howard . I do not understand the childs surname being McGuire? Any ideas ?Death place Manhattan NY Burial in City Cemetery
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On family search I have found a death for a James McGuire 21 March 1918 Birth date 12 Jan 1918 Mothers name Catherine Grandon Father Howard . I do not understand the childs surname being McGuire? Any ideas ?Death place Manhattan NY Burial in City Cemetery
here is the link for reference:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WCP-6JM
James died at 119 West 3rd. Howard's birth place was USA.
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Howard Ryerson was born in the US so the birthplace fits him.
I'm not finding any Howard McGuires who were born in the US and living in Manhattan in 1918.
I didn't see any McGuires living at 119 W 3rd in the 1918 City Directory, but there were 4 columns of them so I might have missed one.
Howard Ryerson is in the 1915 and 1916 NYC City Directory listed as a driver, living at 436 East 69th. He is not listed in the 1917 and 1918 Directories, so possibly he moved to NJ by then.
Their child John, who died in 1916, died at 1743 1st Ave, so maybe that was at a hospital or a friend or relatives ?? I don't know.
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So did Catherine Grandon have a child by a man named McGuire to whom she was not married? Then filled out the birth record using Howard Ryerson's information? I don't know.
I didn't see any Catherine McGuire, born about 1884 in Ireland, living in NYC with a husband Howard either.
And I looked for her using just her first name and parents' names and only found the 1901 census of Midleton which has been posted. Nothing in the US.
Is there any trace of her back in Cork as Grandin, Ryerson, or even maybe McGuire?
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When he registered for the draft in WWI he said he had a wife and child. The registration card is not dated. If he didn't marry Mae (Mary) until 1919, then was Catherine alive in 1918?
If he was born in 1893, he would have been required to register on 5 Jun. 1917. However, an 1893 year of birth is off from the age he gave (23 years old) at the time of the 1912 marriage. It could be a mistranscription of the marriage age, but thought it was worth noting.
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I didn't see any Catherine McGuire, born about 1884 in Ireland, living in NYC with a husband Howard either.
And I looked for her using just her first name and parents' names and only found the 1901 census of Midleton which has been posted. Nothing in the US.
And I don't see her in NYC in 1920 as Catherine Ryerson, born in Ireland about 1884.
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When he registered for the draft in WWI he said he had a wife and child. The registration card is not dated. If he didn't marry Mae (Mary) until 1919, then was Catherine alive in 1918?
If he was born in 1893, he would have been required to register on 5 Jun. 1917. However, an 1893 year of birth is off from the age he gave (23 years old) at the time of the 1912 marriage. It could be a mistranscription of the marriage age, but thought it was worth noting.
Now that I look at it, the ages on the marriage record are probably wrong. Catherine was 9 years older than Howard. She was born in 1884 but said she was born in 1890. Howard was born in 1893, but when they married he said he was born in 1889.
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I didn't see any Catherine McGuire, born about 1884 in Ireland, living in NYC with a husband Howard either.
And I looked for her using just her first name and parents' names and only found the 1901 census of Midleton which has been posted. Nothing in the US.
And I don't see her in NYC in 1920 as Catherine Ryerson, born in Ireland about 1884.
We know Catherine was alive when she named on James McGuire birth/death 1918. I have searched the Irish death registrations and nothing under surnames Grandon/Ryerson/McGuire. The presence of her son Albert with Father & 2nd wife would lead towards Catherine having died ? Are there any Divorce records available?
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When he registered for the draft in WWI he said he had a wife and child. The registration card is not dated. If he didn't marry Mae (Mary) until 1919, then was Catherine alive in 1918?
If he was born in 1893, he would have been required to register on 5 Jun. 1917. However, an 1893 year of birth is off from the age he gave (23 years old) at the time of the 1912 marriage. It could be a mistranscription of the marriage age, but thought it was worth noting.
Thank you for your input the mystery deepens regarding Catherine?
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As I failed to locate a death for Catherine Grandon Ryerson I looked at marriages in New York. I found a marriage in Kings County NY 16 July 1922 for a Catherine Grandon (did she revert to maiden name?) to a Edward a Wheeler. Has anyone any thoughts on this? Thank you
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As I failed to locate a death for Catherine Grandon Ryerson I looked at marriages in New York. I found a marriage in Kings County NY 16 July 1922 for a Catherine Grandon (did she revert to maiden name?) to a Edward a Wheeler. Has anyone any thoughts on this? Thank you
All I could find was the index to the marriage licenses in Brooklyn.
For 1922, 1921, license #11917 issued July 27, 1921, listed for Catherine C Grandon and for Edward A Wheeler.
that was on ancestry.com. If yours was on familysearch could you post a link? Did it give any other information for Edward Wheeler to help identify him?
And I didn't find the two of them together after 1921.
Edited
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Oldohionhome found on www.italiengen.org Brides & Grooms indexes in New York database
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As I failed to locate a death for Catherine Grandon Ryerson I looked at marriages in New York. I found a marriage in Kings County NY 16 July 1922 for a Catherine Grandon (did she revert to maiden name?) to a Edward a Wheeler. Has anyone any thoughts on this? Thank you
That is a different Catherine Grandon.
Here is that Catherine with her family in 1920.
1920 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ5P-RFD
There is a clipping in a 1925 Brooklyn paper mentioning Mrs. Edward A. Wheeler and Miss Charlotta Grandon (her sister).
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I think Catherine Ryerson died in New Jersey, 1918-1919. She was living in New Jersey according to Howard's WWI Draft registration. New York deaths are well covered for that period, and she is not listed, but unfortunately New Jersey death aren't, and the death index isn't available until after 1920.
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As I failed to locate a death for Catherine Grandon Ryerson I looked at marriages in New York. I found a marriage in Kings County NY 16 July 1922 for a Catherine Grandon (did she revert to maiden name?) to a Edward a Wheeler. Has anyone any thoughts on this? Thank you
That is a different Catherine Grandon.
Here is that Catherine with her family in 1920.
1920 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ5P-RFD
There is a clipping in a 1925 Brooklyn paper mentioning Mrs. Edward A. Wheeler and Miss Charlotta Grandon (her sister).
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I think Catherine Ryerson died in New Jersey, 1918-1919. She was living in New Jersey according to Howard's WWI Draft registration. New York deaths are well covered for that period, and she is not listed, but unfortunately New Jersey death aren't, and the death index isn't available until after 1920.
THank you I guess I will have to assume that Catherine died 1918-1919 maybe after she had the child registered as McGuire in 1918