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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Mancunian_Nick on Saturday 12 June 21 03:50 BST (UK)
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Hi guys. As you can see in my sig, I'm trying to find out more about this Daniel Cairney. Apparently he worked with Rikki Fulton and was described in his obituary as "an excellent tenor." Apparently he was also once billed with Kathy Kirby and performed in Blackpool for a period of time, so I'd be grateful for any information someone may have about this please. I've been searching Google for hours but so far haven't been able to find out anything more.
Thank you kindly in anticipation. Nick
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Do you know where he was born - year of birth - year he died - any info at all ??
I wonder if his name was John - and Daniel was his stage name ?
Cadden Pat Violin – support 1925 1937
Caird George ?? – support musician 1945 1945
Cairney John Vocal - years active 1957 - 1959 - (born 1930 )**** this fits in with Kathy Kirby era ?
Cairns William Conductor – choir 1934 1934 1863 1939
Cairns Children’s Choir William Choir 1934 1934 ...
sorry but that is the only possible I could find ...
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REGIONAL THEATRE: Roundabout
mishaps on the way. Taking part in the broadcast will be Roddy McMillan, Fulton Mackay, Joseph Brady, John Cairney, James Grant, Paul Young and Rikki Fulton. Female interest will take the shape of two air-hostesses played by Eileen McCallum and Clare Richards
20 December 1972 - The Stage - London, London, England
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CALLS FOR NEXT WEEK
Day. Tony Dowling. continued on page 17 CALLS-- continued from page 2 MELROSE: Candlelight Room (J. Kerr). Jean Kerr. Danny Cairney. Bob Tetord Quartette.
23 February 1967 - The Stage - London, London, England
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There are references to John Cairney with Rikki Fulton but that man may still be alive.
When/where did your Danny Cairney die?
Where have you seen his obituary?
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Reply #4 heywood is correct re John. He's a Scottish actor, alive as far as I know.
He was in some films including "A Night to Remember" about the sinking of the "Titanic". He played a similar role to Leonardo Di Caprio's in the later film.
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Hi Guys
Thank you all for your feedback. Fascinating. Don't have time to look into and reply to everything now. I'll get back to you but the details I have for him are as follows - Daniel Cairney born 26th April 1929 in Tranent, East Lothian, died 9th May 2018 at the Muirfield Nursing home in Haddington. Married a Mary Elizabeth McCawley on 3rd April 1956 in Tranent. I was told he was a tenor singer and often (?) appeared in Blackpool - we assume the one in Blackpool but I've recently discovered that there's also a Blackpool in Cork, Ireland! Could it be there I wonder?
Someone asked if this John Cairney was him. Yes I've seen lots about him on Google but I don't believe so, although whether or not it's any relation, I've no idea. I hesitate to say but probably not?
Someone also asked me about the obituary I found for him thanks to another thread in Rootschat about the whereabouts of Oddfellows Street. The obituary was written in the East Lothian Courier dated 27th May 2018 and was written by a Stephen Bunyan OBE, Chairman of Dunbar Community Council. I'll paste it here ...
DAN Cairney, formerly of Dunbar, died at Muirfield Nursing Home, Gullane, on May 9. He was 89.
He was born on Church Street, Tranent, on April 26, 1929. He left school before he was 14 and went to work with Hope Brothers in Edinburgh. He went on to work for R W Forsyth’s in Princes Street.
He came to a post in the Co-operative society in Dunbar in 1954. He met Mary McCawley, from Hedderwick, whose aunt was his landlady. They all went to Our Lady of the Waves Church.
Dan and Mary were married on April 3, 1956. They had two daughters, Kathleen McLeish, who survives Dan, and Maureen Austin, who died in 1988. He had five grandchildren of whom he was very proud: Gary, Kieran, Mhairi, Christopher and the late Mark.
After some time, he returned to Edinburgh and worked at Ferguson’s on Easter Road, where he became a manager. He stayed with them until they closed. During this period, he became a master tailor and kilt maker. He became a travelling salesman for James Hare and then for Brook Taverner of Leeds.
In 1981, Dan Smith told him he was preparing to retire and suggested that Dan take over his long-established outfitting business at 55 Dunbar High Street. This was accomplished and Dan ran the business until 2001, when he retired. Dan did not carry on the ladies’ side of the business.
Although he had officially a half day on Wednesdays, in fact he usually visited special clients at home for tailoring appointments on those afternoons.
Dan involved himself fully in the life of Dunbar. He joined Dunbar Community Council in 1982 and became vice-chairman. He became chairman in 1992 and held the office until 1997, when he resigned from the community council.
Perhaps Dan’s greatest local achievement was saving the John Muir Birthplace. It became known in 1997 that it was being sold, probably in three sections. Dan called a meeting of interested parties and the John Muir Birthplace Trust was formed.
It proved possible to buy the Birthplace. The appeal was launched on Muir’s birthday in 1998 and its purchase was achieved by January 29, 1999. In September 1999, a Heritage Lottery Fund grant of £292,000 was made for the development of the birthplace.
Dan was president of the Dunbar John Muir Association from 1997 till 2011. Dan supported The Dunbar Initiative which led to the building of the leisure pool and The Dunbar Townscape Heritage Initiative, which carried through a big programme between 2004 and 2009 to improve the High Street.
In his early career, Dan was an adult instructor in the ACF. He was also a member of Bohemian Society Lyric Opera Choir in Edinburgh.
In Dunbar, he was president of the Rotary Club twice. He was a member of Dunbar Probus Club. He was a keen supporter of Dunbar Bowling Club and he played golf. He was a member of the Twenty Club, a member of Dunbar Trades’ Association – which for a time he chaired – and a supporter of the tourist board.
His church was important to him and he and Mary were key members of the congregation of Our Lady of Waves. He was president and lay chairman of the supporters who worked to secure recognition for Margaret Sinclair, a Poor Clare nun who died in 1925 and has been beatified.
A Requiem Mass was held in Our Lady of the Waves on Friday, May 18, followed by interment at the Deerpark Cemetery, Dunbar.
OK Thanks again everyone. I'll get back to you all later and thank you again thus far.
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CALLS FOR NEXT WEEK
Day. Tony Dowling. continued on page 17 CALLS-- continued from page 2 MELROSE: Candlelight Room (J. Kerr). Jean Kerr. Danny Cairney. Bob Tetord Quartette.
23 February 1967 - The Stage - London, London, England
Thank you very much Mckha. That looks really promising. I'll do a search for this Danny Cairney rather than Dan or Daniel.
Was that all there was? Was there an image and do you have a link please?
Thank you again!
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No more info on the actual page
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0001180%2f19670223%2f017&stringtohighlight=danny%20cairney
And was the only one I could see
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http://www.blackpoolpostcards.co.uk/category/north-pier-summer-season-programmes/
The above Link, might be worth a search, though it appears a while since the Site was updated, and for full access, it states Contact can be made via Facebook.
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No more info on the actual page
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0001180%2f19670223%2f017&stringtohighlight=danny%20cairney
And was the only one I could see
OK thanks. I just don't understand why I can't find out more about him considering he supposedly had such a good voice and apparently appeared in Blackpool a number of times but I guess that's what makes this genealogy malarky fun, interesting and sometimes frustrating at the same time lol.
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Is he part of your family?
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The obituary is very full but it doesn’t mention singing at all, so perhaps it was very much a hobby, in which case you probably wouldn’t expect to find much mention.
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The obituary is very full but it doesn’t mention singing at all, so perhaps it was very much a hobby, in which case you probably wouldn’t expect to find much mention.
I agree and as it is so recent, one would think that there are people close to that man who may have the information.
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http://www.blackpoolpostcards.co.uk/category/north-pier-summer-season-programmes/
The above Link, might be worth a search, though it appears a while since the Site was updated, and for full access, it states Contact can be made via Facebook.
Wow Sandblown, thank you so much for this. I've just had a quick look and there's SO much fascinating stuff there about Blackpool. I shall spend a few hours going through it when I get time next week. Very much appreciate it!
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Someone asked if this John Cairney was him. Yes I've seen lots about him on Google but I don't believe so, although whether or not it's any relation, I've no idea. I hesitate to say but probably not?
The obituary was written in the East Lothian Courier dated 27th May 2018 and was written by a Stephen Bunyan OBE, Chairman of Dunbar Community Council. I'll paste it here ...
John Cairney is a different person. He's 90.
John Cairney, actor, lecturer, author, painter. Born Parkhead, Glasgow. Trained at Royal Scottish Academy of Music & drama. Films in which he appeared include "Ill Met by Moonlight", "Victim", "Cleopatra", "Jason and the Argonauts". Theatre roles include Hamlet and Macbeth. He's known in Scotland for Robert Burns. First volume of his autobiography is "The Man Who Played Robert Burns".
Is it an infringement of copyright to post entire text of an obituary from a 3 year-old newspaper?
Interesting about Danny Cairney's involvement in the John Muir Birthplace Trust and beatification cause of Margaret Sinclair.
I agree with heywood and Mckha that it sounds as if Danny was an amateur singer and that there may be local people with recollections of him.
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Is he part of your family?
No he isn't. My friend is helping one of *his* friends who is a descendant of the Cairney family however and asked me to do the online reasearching but surprisingly, to me, it's proved harder than anticipated, although I'm still trying to assertain if the Blackpool he remembers is the Lancashire one or the one in Cork, Ireland. We already have established another of his memories that he thought was the Lancashire one was, in fact, the one in Cork. Perhaps, we don't know yet, this memory could be the same? We've yet to prove that one way or the other at the moment.
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The obituary is very full but it doesn’t mention singing at all, so perhaps it was very much a hobby, in which case you probably wouldn’t expect to find much mention.
With respect, Mckha, it does! I quote -
In his early career, Dan was an adult instructor in the ACF. He was also a member of Bohemian Society Lyric Opera Choir in Edinburgh.
:)
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I'm still trying to assertain if the Blackpool he remembers is the Lancashire one or the one in Cork, Ireland. We already have established another of his memories that he thought was the Lancashire one was, in fact, the one in Cork.
Blackpool, Lancashire was a popular holiday destination of Scottish people.
Did Blackpool, Cork have a concert hall or similar venue?
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The obituary was written in the East Lothian Courier dated 27th May 2018 and was written by a Stephen Bunyan OBE, Chairman of Dunbar Community Council. I'll paste it here ...
Is it an infringement of copyright to post entire text of an obituary from a 3 year-old newspaper?
Interesting about Danny Cairney's involvement in the John Muir Birthplace Trust and beatification cause of Margaret Sinclair.
I agree with heywood and Mckha that it sounds as if Danny was an amateur singer and that there may be local people with recollections of him.
Copyright infringement ... Good question that I didn't consider when I posted it but I'm sure it's ok to post an obituary on a genealogy research site I'd have thought?
as for Margaret Sinclair, I don't know of her but I have emailed the John Muir Birthplace asking if they have more information and/or photographs of him and/or his family.
As for local people, I agree but it's just finding out who they may be. I know he does still have living descendants from his surviving daughter and grandchildren but I'm not in touch with any of them nor do I know how to.
Thank you for your feedback anyway. Always appreciated.
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I'm still trying to assertain if the Blackpool he remembers is the Lancashire one or the one in Cork, Ireland. We already have established another of his memories that he thought was the Lancashire one was, in fact, the one in Cork.
Blackpool, Lancashire was a popular holiday destination of Scottish people.
Did Blackpool, Cork have a concert hall or similar venue?
Thank you for that insight, Maiden Stone. That's very interesting. As far as Blackpool, Cork is concerned, I've no idea if it has a concert hall or similar. Good question. I'll have to add that thought to my lines of enquiry. :)
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To answer the last question, I did a quick Google and found this ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_Opera_House
I quote the first paragraph ...
Cork Opera House is a theatre and opera house in Cork in Ireland. The first venue opened in 1855 on Emmet Place (then known as Nelson's Place) to the rear of the Crawford Art Gallery. This original building was destroyed by fire in 1955, and a replacement opened in 1965. With a number of additions in the early 21st century, the 1000-seat venue hosted over 100 theatre, music, opera, and comedy events in 2015.
Blackpool appears quite close to it. I've not looked for others yet, if indeed there are any.
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Would it not be easier to contact the newspaper?
Just a thought :)
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Oops. ;D ;D
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Would it not be easier to contact the newspaper?
Just a thought :)
Sorry if this sounds a stupid question but which newspaper? My next task I've been asked to do by my friend, is to look into his wife, Mary Elizabeth McCawley's family. Apparently there might be a suicide story involved for one of them (?) and her GGrandmother possibly an actress?! Never rains but it pours lol.
I know already that she was born around 1930 in West Barnes, East Lothan, married Daniel on 3rd April 1956 in Tranent, East Lothian and died 1st August 2018 in Gullane, East Lothian - yes the same year as Daniel died and, coincidently (?) at the same nursing home!
One for another day I guess but why this descendant believes her side of the family originates in Ireland when she appears to have been born in Scotland, I've yet to establish. :)
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Would it not be easier to contact the newspaper?
Just a thought :)
Sorry if this sounds a stupid question but which newspaper?
If your friend is not a member of the direct family, there may be others still around. There may be people in the area who remember Daniel’s musical career, even though it is not referred to very much in the obituary.
Newspapers often run short articles/notices when people are searching.
https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/
The choir might have archives too
http://bohemians.org.uk/
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Mancunian Nick
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Reply #24 This seems like a different enquiry for another time.
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Would it not be easier to contact the newspaper?
Just a thought :)
Sorry if this sounds a stupid question but which newspaper?
If your friend is not a member of the direct family, there may be others still around. There may be people in the area who remember Daniel’s musical career, even though it is not referred to very much in the obituary.
Newspapers often run short articles/notices when people are searching.
https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/
The choir might have archives too
http://bohemians.org.uk/
Thank you very much for those links/suggestions. I'll go take a look.
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Mancunian Nick
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Reply #24 This seems like a different enquiry for another time.
Thank you. Yes you're right. I'll start a new thread about his wife later. For now I have 2 suggested links to take a look at.
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The choir might have archives too
http://bohemians.org.uk/
Describes itself as Edinburgh's premier amateur opera company since 1909.
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The choir might have archives too
http://bohemians.org.uk/
Describes itself as Edinburgh's premier amateur opera company since 1909.
Indeed so, although no mention/list of gigs/performances or past notable singers etc. When I get time, I'll have to contact them and ask.
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Just to add that Daniel Cairney may well have sung 'many times at Blackpool' but rather than individually (and advertised as such), as part of a choir or the chorus in an operatic work, and therefore investigating the choirs/companies he sang in may well be a better angle to take.
Programmes do usually have lists of the choir/chorus members and their archives may help here.
Speaking personally, I've 'performed at the Albert Hall' but you won't find my name in any newspapers about that!
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Just to add that Daniel Cairney may well have sung 'many times at Blackpool' but rather than individually (and advertised as such), as part of a choir or the chorus in an operatic work, and therefore investigating the choirs/companies he sang in may well be a better angle to take.
Programmes do usually have lists of the choir/chorus members and their archives may help here.
Speaking personally, I've 'performed at the Albert Hall' but you won't find my name in any newspapers about that!
Hello Igor
yes the idea that he was probably a chorister rather than an individual performer is looking more likely, as you rightly say. I also agree that approaching that choral choir mentioned in the obiturary is probably the way forward, as you suggest so I'll have to try to find a contact on that website link. And yes, your final point is well taken. :)
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I was contacted by the John Muir Trust as they believe you (Manchurian Nick) are looking for information about my father, Dan Cairney.
If you could contact me privately I may be able to help.
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Welcome to RootsChat, Kathleen. You and Nick will be able to exchange private messages when you have made a few more posts. Then your private message function will work. Replying to this will count towards your post total.
Your father's involvement in the John Muir Trust interested me. I live in Scotland and have done environmental work as a volunteer and have heard of the John Muir Trust.
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I was contacted by the John Muir Trust as they believe you (Manchurian Nick) are looking for information about my father, Dan Cairney.
If you could contact me privately I may be able to help.
Wow hello Kathleen. Welcome to RootsChat and thank you SO much for writing. It's lovely to hear from you and yes I am interested to learn more about your father, especially with regard to his singing career. As you'll know if you've read through all the other posts here, I've heard he had sung in Blackpool, amongst other places but have still to discover if that was as part of a choir or something he did on his own? Also trying to find out more about your wider family, as it were, as part of my genealogy research on behalf of a friend of mine who is in contact with another member of the family, although I don't know a name or his relationship to Dan but I will try to find out.
Yes do please reply to this, too. As soon as I'm able I'd be happy to chat by private message here or, alternatively, which would be better for me if you're happy to do so, by email?
I look forward to hear from you again soon.
All the best for now, Nick
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Welcome to RootsChat, Kathleen. You and Nick will be able to exchange private messages when you have made a few more posts. Then your private message function will work. Replying to this will count towards your post total.
Your father's involvement in the John Muir Trust interested me. I live in Scotland and have done environmental work as a volunteer and have heard of the John Muir Trust.
Thank you so much for passing on that information, Maiden Stone. Just out of curiousity, how many posts do new users need to make in order for the DM/PM system to work for them? I've PMed her anyway so hopefully she'll be able to read it and respond.
Like you, I'd find information about his involvement with the John Muir Trust interesting, as well as his involvement with the other things, too. Sadly most of the responses I got from the Community Council either told me everything was already in the obituary or they hadn't got further information. One reply, however, was very enlightening to a point but sadly, despite my replying quickly, I never heard back from him again. :(
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