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Title: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: lisalisa on Tuesday 15 June 21 13:39 BST (UK)
Hello,
if anyone has access to Catshill parish records and could look up the following marriage, I'd be very grateful, thanks.
1866 Dec 10  Joseph Liddell and Ann Yates  at Catshill 

I'm interested in all the available details, fathers, witnesses etc.

thanks very much
Lisa
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: Paco on Thursday 17 June 21 17:22 BST (UK)
There is a baptism on Family Search, Catshill for a Joseph Liddell 19/5/1850, which would have made him 16 years old when he married,  if this was the year he was born, although he could have been born earlier, and not baptised until 1850. Parents Joseph and Hannah.
Regards.
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 17 June 21 21:46 BST (UK)
Have you found him on the 1871 etc censuses to establish his birthyear & birthplace
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: ColC on Friday 18 June 21 10:08 BST (UK)
There is a baptism on Family Search, Catshill for a Joseph Liddell 19/5/1850, which would have made him 16 years old when he married,  if this was the year he was born, although he could have been born earlier, and not baptised until 1850. Parents Joseph and Hannah.
Regards.

This Joseph is with his parents on the 1871 census he is single.

Colin
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: ColC on Friday 18 June 21 10:38 BST (UK)
I think you may need to purchase the marriage certificate below. I can see no trace on 1871/1881 census in England or any births of children in the following years mothers maiden name Yates.
Did they emigrate by any chance?

Marriages Dec 1866   
Joseph LIDDELL to Ann Yates     Bromsgrove    6c   688

Colin
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: MaureeninNY on Friday 18 June 21 10:50 BST (UK)
I wonder if we're looking at a much older couple than expected?

1851 census:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGZW-YSJ

Maureen
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: ColC on Friday 18 June 21 11:06 BST (UK)
Well done Maureen that will tie in with this death.

   LIDDELL, JOSEPH       84 
GRO Reference: 1870  J Quarter in BROMSGROVE  Volume 06C  Page 232

Colin
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: MaureeninNY on Friday 18 June 21 11:08 BST (UK)
Thanks,Colin!

I guess this is the 1871:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5T5-7BZ

Maureen
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: ColC on Friday 18 June 21 11:27 BST (UK)
Olive LIDDELL   Baptism   29 Oct 1809   Worcestershire   Bromsgrove : St John the Baptist
Parents Joseph & Esther

Joseph Liddell
Marriage 26 Sep 1803
Esther Eades
Saint Bartholomew, Tardebigg, Worcestershire.

Colin
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: ColC on Friday 18 June 21 11:40 BST (UK)
Ann Liddell
Burial Date:   
29 Dec 1888
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire.

Colin
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: MaureeninNY on Friday 18 June 21 11:53 BST (UK)
You're right,Colin. The marriage cert for Joseph and Ann is the way to go.

Maureen
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: ColC on Friday 18 June 21 11:54 BST (UK)
Joseph 1841.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ55-29S

No GRO index for Elizabeth Yates noted as age 12 on 1851 census.

Bolow might be the 5 year old Eliza and George age 0 on 1851 census.

YATES, ANN       INETT 
GRO Reference: 1846  S Quarter in BROMSGROVE  Volume 18  Page 217

YATES, ELIZA       INETT 
GRO Reference: 1848  M Quarter in BROMSGROVE UNION  Volume 18  Page 224

YATES, GEORGE  ROBERT     - 
GRO Reference: 1850  J Quarter in BROMSGROVE UNION  Volume 18  Page 230

No marriage for Ann Inett to a Yates?

No birth record for Joseph or Ann.

olin
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: mutchall on Thursday 15 July 21 01:13 BST (UK)
There's a tree available on ancestry

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/86377738/person/46541366412

brother Daniel had an interesting career in the military and married Susannah Satterl(e)y in Bovey Tracey, Devon in 1806

sister Hannah married Thomas Jones at Tardebigge in 1817 - her daughter Ann Liddell born 1811 married Edmund Collins 1831 in Birmingham

Christ Church, Catshill, Worcestershire, Register of Marriages

10 December 1866
Joseph Liddell, Warbage Lane, 75, Nailer, John Liddell, Medical Man
Ann Yates, Warbage Lane, 57, Nailer, Robert Yates, Nailer

Saint Bartholomew's Church, Tardebigge, Worcestershire, Register of Marriages, Volume IX
MFM 280 / 1
Page 1 Entry Number 4
26 September 1803
Joseph Liddell, x his mark, Tardebig
Esther Eades, x her mark, Tardebig
Witnesses
Charles Tailer, x his mark
Richd Bradshaw, signed by
by Banns
Performed by George Richards, Curate

Saint Bartholomew's Church, Tardebigge, Worcestershire, Register of Marriages, Volume XI
MFM 280 / 1
Page 44 Entry Number 132
03 March 1817
Thomas Jones, x his mark, of this parish
Hannah Lydia, x her mark, of this parish
Witnesses
Daniel Lydia, x his mark
John Pinfield, signed by
by Banns
Performed by George Richards, Curate

Bromsgrove, Saint John the Baptist’s Church

6.5.1850 (Baptism) George Robert Yates (Ann)

DRO 3444-1

[Page 153]

MARRIAGES solemnized in the Parish of Saint Martin in Birmingham
in the County of Warwick in October in the Year 1831

Edmund Collins of this Parish
Bachelor
and Ann Liddell of this Parish
Spinster
were married in this Church by Banns
this twenty third day of
October in the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty one
By me S L Morgan, Curate

This Marriage was solemnized between us The Mark [X] of Edmund Collins
Ann Liddell [signed by]

In the Presence of The Mark [X] of Thomas Jones
The Mark [X] of Olivia Liddell

No 457

Reference:   WO 97/1131/469
Description:   
DANIEL LEDHALL
Born BROOMSGROVE, Worcestershire
Served in 7th Foot Regiment; 7th Royal Veteran Battalion; 13th Royal Veteran Battalion
Discharged aged 31
Date:   1807-1816
Held by:   The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:   Public Record(s)
Language:   English
Closure status:   Open Document, Open Description

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8830179

Reference:   WO 121/205/895
Description:   
DANIEL LEDHALL.
Born [Not Known].
Served in 7th Royal Veteran Battalion.
Discharged aged [Not Known].
Original certificate of discharge missing.
See film image 694.
Date:   1822
Held by:   The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:   Public Record(s)
Language:   English
Closure status:   Open Document, Open Description

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10352610
Title: Re: 1866 Marriage Joseph Liddell at Catshill look up request
Post by: lisalisa on Thursday 15 July 21 10:19 BST (UK)
There's a tree available on ancestry

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/86377738/person/46541366412

brother Daniel had an interesting career in the military and married Susannah Satterl(e)y in Bovey Tracey, Devon in 1806

sister Hannah married Thomas Jones at Tardebigge in 1817 - her daughter Ann Liddell born 1811 married Edmund Collins 1831 in Birmingham

Christ Church, Catshill, Worcestershire, Register of Marriages

10 December 1866
Joseph Liddell, Warbage Lane, 75, Nailer, John Liddell, Medical Man
Ann Yates, Warbage Lane, 57, Nailer, Robert Yates, Nailer

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Hello Mutchall,

thank you very much for all this info and the extra links.
The marriage confirms his family line very nicely, thank you. 

I had missed 'Lydia' and 'Ledhall' as being further versions of 'Liddell', so I hadn't seen the records for Daniel, thank you.

This will keep me busy for a while, thank you.

Lisa   :)