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Some Special Interests => Occupation Interests => Topic started by: Lady Di on Saturday 19 June 21 12:59 BST (UK)
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I've found the Merchant Navy apprenticeship record for Edward Tulloch - born 1828 Poole Dorset (Ticket # 343.940)
Apprent: March 1843, age 14y 5m on Caroline with Capt Laurence Tulloch (related??)
I also have all the ships he served on up til 30 Oct 1857 when he received his Masters Cert.
Last ship was Queen Victoria (served Mar 1857 - Aug 1857)
I have no idea what happened to him, the ship's he sailed or where he was, after 1857. Also haven't found a death for him.
Would anyone be able to find information or suggest where to look for Captain's records &/or possible discharge papers for Edward Tulloch please?
Thanks - would really appreciate help or guidance :-*
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See the probate record for Edward Tulloch (late of Calcutta) who died on 1 December 1876 at Kottree Sinde. Probate to his brother William Tulloch of Slaugham Park, Crawley. I think that may be your man?
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Lloyd's Captains Register may supply the answers to your questions. Depends if he was involved with Foreign Trade. LCR doe's not have details for masters in the Home Trade. LCR are stored at London Metropolitan Archives. They have an excellent research service.
Do you have his masters certificate number?
I found a Edward Tulloch in the 1858 and later editions of the Mercantile Navy List. He obtained an ordinary masters certificate in 1857. London. Certificate number 12748.
https://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/mercantile-navy-list.html Page 88. I don't know if this is your man.
Do you have an official number for the ship QUEEN VICTORIA?
If indeed your man was certificate number 12748 it may be worth looking in the series BT122 at the National Archive. Kew. You would probably need to visit.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C408238
Do you know if he served on the Barque MERIDIAN as second mate in 1853?
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See the probate record for Edward Tulloch (late of Calcutta) who died on 1 December 1876 at Kottree Sinde. Probate to his brother William Tulloch of Slaugham Park, Crawley. I think that may be your man?
Thanks Shaun - I'll follow that line. Not heard of Kottree Sinde before but do like the possible connection to William, his brother.
Yes Seaweed you have the right Edward Tulloch. - ordinary Masters Cert in 1857, cert # 12.748 (renewed)
Queen Victoria # 32177 as I see it
Looks like all information matches as he was on the Meridian. He received a gold medal and many accolades for his efforts in saving the passengers.
Unfortunately I can't visit Kew but maybe one day, when all the "fuss" dies down :-\
Thanks for your help
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Sounds like a Shetland family!
Bests,
Skoosh.
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" Kottree Sinde" is most likely the city of Kotri in Sindh province, on the banks of the Indus river.
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Bombay and Calcutta newspapers in 1875/6 have shipping movement mentions of a Capt E Tulloch, master of the British ship St Bernard.
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There were two British and Empire ships around in 1875/76
SAINT BERNARD Official number 43723 registered in Liverpool and SAINT BERNARD 30553 registered in Bombay.
Everything points to the Bombay registered vessel being the ship in question.
Suggest you contact National Maritime Museum, Greenwich, to see if they have her 1875 crew agreements.
NMM will communicate via post or email. However this service is currently suspended.
https://collections.rmg.co.uk/archive.html#!asearch
Scroll down the page.
Like you say "maybe one day, when all the "fuss" dies down"
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Thank ShaunJ for the extra info.
I'll check the newspapers of that area and see if I can find anything extra.
Thanks also seaweed
You're a wealth of knowledge - or at least know where to look :-*
I really appreciate all the help & info provided
Frustrating time to be doing research at the moment but things will be better soon ;D
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Sounds like a Shetland family!
Bests,
Skoosh.
Apologies Skoosh, missed your post
- why would you think Edward was from a Shetland family?
To the best of my knowledge he was born & raised in Poole Dorset.
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Tulloch is fairly common in the north of Scotland. The French wars had folk moving all over Britain plus the seafaring tradition which saw Shetlanders settle all down the east coast. I have Orkney Tullochs and a Laurence Tulloch also, from Northmavine parish in Shetland, Laurence being a popular name with them. Once you get back into the early 18th century many of the Shetland names change every generation, James Laurenceson might be the son of Laurence Jamieson for example, a patronymic as in Norway etc. Tulloch is a Scots name so more likely to be passed on.
Could they even pronounce it in Dorset? ;D
Bests,
Skoosh.
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That's interesting Skoosh
It's possible that the Captain Laurence Tulloch of the "Caroline" may have been from up north but I haven't researched anyone other than Edward so far.
Thanks for the information. I'll keep it on file in case I find a connection later.
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Lady Di, I would put money on it! ;D
The Shetland Family History Society would be useful if you find a link.
Bests,
Skoosh.
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There's a PCC will for a Laurence Tulloch of Poole who died in 1846. That was the year that Edward Tulloch's apprenticeship was cancelled, so it is very likely the same Laurence Tulloch.
There's an earlier PCC will for a Lawrence Tulloch of Poole who died in 1808.
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Marriage licence for Laurence Tulloch of Poole, 1783: https://tinyurl.com/b3p3k8sy
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Thanks for the reminder about the Wills. I usually check for those early in my search - obviously the brain wasn't working this time ::)
I'll check them both and any others from the area.
Thanks again - appreciate the nudge in the right direction (again) :D
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This is Tony Gott's superb website on Shetland family histories, if you can get a connection the work is done for you! There is a Captain Edward Tulloch, master mariner but at a later date than yours, try the search-box.
https://www.bayanne.info/Shetland
Skoosh.
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Whilst acknowledging the information posted by Skoosh. 80/90% of the Masters I found in the National Archives series BT124, with the surname Tulloch. Came from Shetland, Orkney and other Northen Scottish locations.
However there was another Tulloch listed. James Street. Born 1826 in Poole Dorset. Mates certificate 67687 Issued in Poole 7/1/1851
A Brother, Cousin maybe?
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This is Tony Gott's superb website on Shetland family histories, if you can get a connection the work is done for you! There is a Captain Edward Tulloch, master mariner but at a later date than yours, try the search-box.
https://www.bayanne.info/Shetland
Skoosh.
Thanks Skoosh - I check the site and as you said, the date is well after Capt Edward Tulloch of Poole sailed the seven seas. Obviously might be a connection which I'll follow up later.
Appreciate your help
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Whilst acknowledging the information posted by Skoosh. 80/90% of the Masters I found in the National Archives series BT124, with the surname Tulloch. Came from Shetland, Orkney and other Northen Scottish locations.
However there was another Tulloch listed. James Street. Born 1826 in Poole Dorset. Mates certificate 67687 Issued in Poole 7/1/1851
A Brother, Cousin maybe?
Thanks seaweed - I've found a couple of other Tulloch/Tullock sailors from Poole as well. It's possible they're all related but that's a job for another day.
Appreciate all your help and suggestions.
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The Tulloch family in Poole were from Shetland, but in a previous generation. Brothers Laurence, born c1745, Gilbert (c1762-1838) and Andrew Tulloch (1764-1815) settled there. Andrew clearly stated that when he sat his RN naval lieutenant's exam. I am not related, but would be interested to know whether anybody knows more about them.
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Welcome to Rootschat Alan!
Bests,
Skoosh.
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The Tulloch family in Poole were from Shetland, but in a previous generation. Brothers Laurence, born c1745, Gilbert (c1762-1838) and Andrew Tulloch (1764-1815) settled there. Andrew clearly stated that when he sat his RN naval lieutenant's exam. I am not related, but would be interested to know whether anybody knows more about them.
Hello Alan
Welcome to RootsChat.
Thanks for the update re the Tulloch family. I haven't researched any previous generations and mainly concentrated on Edward. As time permits I'll see if there's anything extra that you might find useful.
I believe someone mentioned Tulloch wills at The National Archives which might be helpful for your research.
Thanks again for joining and posting on here
Cheers
Di