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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: kevinf2349 on Saturday 19 June 21 22:41 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to decipher a marriage certificate (see attached) information. I have most of it (I think) but am struggling with the groom's father's occupation and the name of the officiant.
I 'think' that the officiant is Henry ?? Bourke but the groom's father's occupation is another story. It could be Placer...whatever that is. If it helps the groom is a potter by trade.
Any help is much appreciated.
Kevin
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The officiating person is Bourke. Not sure if it is Henry or if the first part is his 'rank' . Was it in an Anglican or RC church?
Placer is an occupation
A placer is the person, usually male but could be female, who places individual clay pieces or dipped biscuit pieces into saggars before they are placed (or set in) the oven for firing.
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Thank you for the quick response.
The church is the parish church so I believe it would be C of E.
Thank you again.
Kevin
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Could be Hsurg. Mr. Bourke....Heart Surgeon?
Carol
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Could be Hsurg. Mr. Bourke....Heart Surgeon?
Carol
Hmm. Would a heart surgeon be able to officiate in a church wedding? I thought the resident minister would have to do it after Banns? I am no expert though.
Kevin
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Oops! Didn't read it properly, I thought it was a death Cert. ::)
Carol
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H[onorable] S[ecre]tary perhaps?
Peter
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Hi Kevin.
The middle initial is M for Martyn. Deaths 1907 BOURKE Henry Martyn Dec Q Goole.
You will find his signature on records in the Airmyn (Yorkshire) Registers 1905 - 1907. He usually signs with a semi colon after his middle initial.
He was buried at Airmyn on 21 Dec 1907 aged 40 years.
However an amendment to the burial record states his age was since discovered to be 53 years and it is also noted he became Vicar of Airmyn in July 1905.
Venelow
Canada
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Hi Kevin.
The middle initial is M for Martyn. Deaths 1907 BOURKE Henry Martyn Dec Q Goole.
You will find his signature on records in the Airmyn (Yorkshire) Registers 1905 - 1907. He usually signs with a semi colon after his middle initial.
He was buried at Airmyn on 21 Dec 1907 aged 40 years.
However an amendment to the burial record states his age was since discovered to be 53 years and it is also noted he became Vicar of Airmyn in July 1905.
Venelow
Canada
Thank you, but this is from a marriage certificate not a death certificate. That doesn't, of course, mean that the initial isn't "M" though. Thank you
Kevin
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The poster doesn't suggest anywhere that it's a death certificate. Merely confirms the name of the officiating vicar and provides some background info about him - including his date of death.
Dave
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The poster doesn't suggest anywhere that it's a death certificate. Merely confirms the name of the officiating vicar and provides some background info about him - including his date of death.
Dave
I appreciated the information although I am not sure it applies in this case as the marriage was in Stafford. Having said that the dates seem to tie in as the wedding was in 1903 which would seem to be before his tenure in Yorkshire.
Regards
Kevin
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Henry Wm. Bourke
To me the top dot of what looks like a colon after Wm is the little superscript, while the lower dot is the stop which rightly follows the placement of an initial.
Sue
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Kevin,
Ordained Clergy officiated at baptisms, marriages and burials so I am not sure how the type of ceremony makes a difference. Also they often performed ceremonies in Parishes to which they were not attached.
I am sorry I cannot give you a copy of of the Rev. Bourke's signature in the Airmyn records because the images are copyright.
Maybe someone else with access to the Airmyn records for 1905 to 1907 could check the records and confirm that the signature is the same as the one on your marriage record and that the burial record of Dec 21 1907 at Airmyn is for Henry Martyn Bourke late Vicar of the parish.
You could also look at Family Search and see if there is any information there. Of course it will most likely be a transcript but there are some original records there. You might get lucky. When the libraries re-open you could also check Crockford's Clerical Directory for the relevant time period and possibly newspaper files as well for further information.
I don't usually bother with the name of the person performing the ceremony myself unless they are related to the family which, in one line of the families I am researching, happened quite often.
Venelow
Canada